ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents, After Exposed as Players Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests

It's a case of no secrets here, because we destroyed all the secrets we had and will destroy any new secrets we come up with! Quick, shred the paper of how we told the protesters to hate Fox News and support Obama, and that check duplicate showing our bribing of the Oakland mayor! /sarcasm

Why does this matter???

Sorry I should clarify. People are acting like this is some sort of quality breaking news story and I am not getting it. So some people who might have been associated with Acorn showed up at the NYC protests. Well if I were to guess these people would agree with the protesters so to me it would not be a surprise for them to be there. So they are saying there were people on staff and told to go and were paid but that's only a handful of people who are at these protests. I'm not seeing how this means Acorn created the protests??

tis 'the mentallity of the fox news puppet masters!

This is all a load of bull, Acorn was shut down as a government sponsored program in 2009 , even if it did still exist , it would be operating as a private non-profit group, so what's the big deal about that? And what exactly have these evil bastards done? They orchestrated the entire OWS? BIG DEAL.

So what! OWS is a peaceful protest, which like it or not is a Right guaranteed to them under this Constitution. Even if ACORN some how did start it all, ( A WORLD WIDE movement mind you) they are entirely with in the realm of legality to do so, your super PACs do FAR, FAR worse, yet we don't even mention those, but hey let's vilify a barely funded private organization that really is doing good. Research ACORN and tell me how the things they worked for were not noble, they had a purpose and that purpose was very good. Them being caught in corruption and being exposed was a good thing, we should have reformed the regulations and oversight on it, not end it.

Even if ACORN did start this (Which I disagree with) the millions now involved agreed to it, and we all have free minds and free will, these are people frustrated at a broken and corrupt system, we are taught from very little to believe our great land infallible among all the others, yet look at what has happened to the people who inhabit the most powerful and wealthiest nation on the planet. Equality has been sat aside for the price of money and that my friends is tyranny on the masses, that my friends is always cause for revolution of somekind, no joke just read history, in short people wouldn't even stop to listen to an ACORN dissident if things where like they should be, if things where actually MORALLY/Ethically right, not just financially profitable.

sorry I will end my rant here, lol this is too funny though. =)

acorn! evil! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!

okay, chicken little. shut it.

This is all a load of bull, Acorn was shut down as a government sponsored program in 2009

I guess you don't know what a shell game is?

they would no longer be a public entity, so i guess they are free to do as they please, to some degree. however, i serious doubt that they did this. we shall see.

@kjm.......ACORN IS NO MORE and only morons keep pusing the issue! So the new orginization shhredded paper. Big deal. Probably was OLD letterhead or old records. DO YOU HAVE PROOF OTHERWISE!

the moronic chicken littles on the right are really showing their lack of intellect this time.

Do you have proof OTHERWISE??? NO. Don't ask me for something when you can't back up the other side. BOTH pro and con are pure conjecture.

Let me ask you something - if this was say Anthony Mozillo starting a new bank, would you say it IS or or NOT Countrywide, no matter the name?

So what! OWS is a peaceful protest, which like it or not is a Right guaranteed to them under this Constitution.

Really? Bawahahaha! Thousands of arrest, destruction, rapes, drug use, vandalism...yep, perfectly peaceful.../sarc/. You might want to vissit Elaine's other seed she documents many thing as I can if you'd like.

Well lookee at what I found!!! ACORN doesn't exist, eh?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/ACORN-International-Community-Organizations-International/102513996468280?sk=info

the moronic chicken littles on the right are really showing their lack of intellect this time.

I would question who is the moronic chicken littles.

Soros funded...guaranteed! He's got more money than the government right now...

Acorn today,

New York Communities for Change

Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment

Same group,same bull,same waste.

kjm...YOU make the accusation, prepeare to back it up! If that is a problem, than we will just see you for, well COH and all!

This sound familar? Acorns web site.But they are not here?

Right , Please stop ,Your smoke is puckering my back side.....

The 35,000+ members of ACORN Canada have a message for these brave citizens camped out in parks and public spaces across Canada today: we've got your back, we support your calls for a fairer Canada and we'll always be a friend to the #occupy movement.

Reasons to support the #occupy movement in Canada (Source: CCPA):

-Canada's richest 1% have doubled their income share between 1970 and 2007.

-$6.6 million a year is the average compensation for Canada's 100 best paid CEOs.

-1 in 10 Canadians live in poverty including 1 in 4 aboriginal children.

Keep it puckered, unless you can explain what Acorn Canada has to do with this article.

I would question who is the moronic chicken littles.

It's "who are" not "who is".

I'd say you've already answered the question.

Lets see, If you use the same people in the same office doing the same thing, and just change its name..... They are still ACORN! Call them what you want ....

A Rose by any other name ...Is still a Rose!

Buttzie

Think a little about it.

Terry , Here is you star * for your teacher. He's the only one who cares. At least come back with something intelligent.

But it could be who is if I didn't put the s on little.

I ask you to explain...and you want me to think about it ummm. Okay, I've thought about it and I still do understand the importance of your post. Care to explain...now?

the moronic chicken littles on the right are really showing their lack of intellect this time.

I would question who is the moronic chicken littles.

i would question who isnt moronic.

Do you have proof OTHERWISE??? NO. Don't ask me for something when you can't back up the other side. BOTH pro and con are pure conjecture.

kjmgirl is clearly a unicorn. according to her, i do not have to provide proof. unicorn!

No, I'm a Warrior, not a unicorn. And asking for proof on this one was about as useful as a poster on another seed asking me for a link to prove how many people lie on their income taxes and how much they make "under the table" Somethings just EXIST without "proof".

No, I'm a Warrior

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*stifled laughter.

I Love the Best News Source Ever......F-O-X-N-E-W-S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fair and Balanced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The ONLY News Source To Tell It Like It Is!!!!!!

And Fox is the only channel over half the country tunes in to!

Somebody must have spiked your ice tea, Elaine. Not even close. Not even close to close.

And Fox is the only channel over half the country tunes in to! Too bad for the uninformed who don't watch it.

Didn't Fox go to court to fight for the right to lie in their "news" reports? Answer = Yes. Popularity is hardly the badge of honesty or accuracy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw&feature=player_embedded#!

Okay, Elaine, if you insist on being proven wrong again and again, here are the latest Nielsen numbers for cable news networks (in 000s):

Total Day
FNC 1,333
CNN 432
MSNBC 505
CNBC 205
FBN 68
HLN 380

1.3 million people..."half the country?" I don't mind showing your massive "exaggerations," Elaine but I'd think you would.

Pay attention, here, Elaine. You've "won" that one---congrats on being a distant, verrrrrry distant 4th place. Maybe you don't know the difference between "cable" and "network." Look that up in your wikipedia, too.

Ring, ring, ring....Hello AIG please, this is ACORN holding. I'm going to need some advice.

Creeper-Busted for what exactly?

#3.1 :))

I'm pretty sure every business on the planet both shreds documents and fires people pretty regularly.......

common......especially those that are NO LONGER in business. Big deal. The right trash are making mountains out of molehills. creepy and some of the others......what else can we expect!

Who is creepy?

.especially those that are NO LONGER in business.

Changing the name on the door does not make you "NO LONGER in business" It just means you changed the name of the business...

Same game ...same players... same goals... Just a New Name!

I thought the ACORN goal was to elect Obama in 2008.

Therefore the ACORN goal in 2012 would be to re-elect Obama.

Supporting OWS is definitely NOT going to elect OBAMA in 2012.

Obama got more campaign contributions from Wall Street just this year than any other politician EVER got cumulatively in their entire careers.

That fact alone means that the goals of OWS and the goals of Obama supporters are diametrically OPPOSED to each other, or in other words are POLAR OPPOSITES.

Obama got more campaign contributions from Wall Street just this year than any other politician EVER got cumulatively in their entire careers.

Umm, nope. Romney Beating Obama in a Fight for Wall St. Cash

See, if you didn't rely on FalseNews or Limbaugh or World Nut Daily for your disinformation you wouldn't get embarrassed so often.

(smiles) You seem to make an assumption that the useful idiots at these protests don't know! They are being used ... They are being played by those that are pulling all the strings... And sadly the "they" includes our current president...

If "false news" and Rush were in charge of the rumour that Obama was getting all of Wall Street's cash, they would have jumped on the OWS bandwagon and they would be glad handing protesters left and right. Republicans were against the Wall Street bailout and so was OWS they have SO MUCH IN COMMON.

Yet, Republicans continue to spread the rumour that OWS is working for Obama. If Obama was that stupid he never would have won the election in 2008. Just like he ignored the union protests at the beginning of the year he ignores OWS, both organizations he does not support and is working his hardest to destroy any way he can without getting his hands dirty.

If the Republicains are having such a hard time picking a candidate who stands up for their values, perhaps they should consider supporting Obama.

Trying ...

Your joking right?

Republicans continue to spread the rumour that OWS is working for Obama

You know the difference between the people and the organizers ...Right?

If Obama was that stupid he never would have won the election in 2008.

You should question the voting public that elected him not the man...

Just like he ignored the union protests at the beginning of the year he ignores OWS, both organizations he does not support and is working his hardest to destroy any way he can without getting his hands dirty.

So far from the truth you can't stand there and see the truth from there...

Big Labor wins every time with this president... Be it through Stimulus or the GM bail out ...The Unions always wins... I mean it was the Public sector Unions that got all that money to keep Teachers, Police, Fire and other Federal, State and Local UNION workers working ...was it Not?

If the Republicains are having such a hard time picking a candidate who stands up for their values, perhaps they should consider supporting Obama.

ROFLMAO ....

If you paid attention to the laws that have been passed since Obama became President, particularly the ones he championed, you will see a pronounced anti-labor bias, as well as a pro-business stance.

The Race to the Top legislation allows school districts and municipalities to invalidate contracts with unions by firing all the staff and then re-hiring only those teachers they choose provided they agree to a new contract and no longer belong to a union. This has been successfully used to destroy teachers unions in Rhode Island, and Michigan. Race to the Top also demands that all taxpayer funds be shared equally with any private "charter schools" and that private "charter schools" must have fewer regulations than public schools making them easier to establish. It also establishes merit pay for teachers based almost solely on how their students do on standardized tests. Schools are similarly graded on test scores and it affects the federal aid they get.

Obama-care threw out the public option in favor of requiring everyone to register with a private health insurance company picked for them by a private firm that markets health care plans for the private companies.

If the unions always win, how come the union membership in this country is at a 75 year low.

I didn't see Obama out there with the teachers, police and firefighters, and other federal and state union workers. His ringing words of support were that they had the right to protest. The same wholehearted words of support he gave to the OWS protesters. Unions didn't get all that money from the federal government to keep municipal union workers working because unions don't hire workers or fire workers, they negotiate contracts for workers, and some unions provide benefits to their workers.

shredding documents and firing people.

sez who?

sez who?

The article clearly states "source" ...

What you have a problem with that when the Right does that? Yet what about when all we know about the Herman Cain thing is from one of those unnamed "source" types ... You believe everything your told....

AMAZING !

The article clearly states "source" ...

this is hilarious, except you were not trying to be funny.

Really? LOL just showing how ridicules it is to question an unnamed source in an article that reflects poorly on your Party yet..... act like hungry dogs and use an unnamed source against the opposing party...

i am an "r". it is irresponsible for anyone to post, publish, or print unfounded rumors. it does not matter from which side of the aisle they come.

i will reserve judgment on the cain fiasco until more is known about it.

Jim, here's how it works at FalseNews. First one of the right opinion goons like Limbaugh says something like, "ACORN is guilty of voter fraud." Then the "news" side of the outfit uses that liar as its unnamed "source." Then it goes back to the opinion goons (now comes the multiplier effect) who use FalseNews as it source for the "news" story. This isn't just my opinion. Journalistic research has shown this over and over. It's a scam of the lowest sort and it's designed just to sucker guys like you, making you think you've got some facts and it's all just a huge layered @!$%#-cake of lies.

Yes jackjack-712749 - ACORN no longer exists thanks to the gop/teabaggers. All ACORN ever did anyway was encourage folks to register to vote and to vote. Say what you will deniers, they do not have that kind of influence the faux teabagging morons would like you to believe.

Just goes to show you how desperate the right is - their influence is starting to wane - all their dirty tricks are being exposed - and rational thinking people with an iota of common sense know better!

Tessy,

"encourage folks to register to vote and to vote."

Wheather they exist or not. Living or not. Got it.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/

You do live in a nice little fantasy world Tessy...

I'll order the same thing that Tessy's having.

So you were being facetious. I get it now.

Snicker all you want - believe faux news and the teabaggers all you want - ACORN doesn't have the influence you seem to think.

They encouraged people to register to vote. If the so-called voter claim was fraudulent - it's not ACORN's fault.

Whatever dude!

Yes.. Give everyone a good dose of truth that Tessy had…

WBOB - what I'm having is a healthy dose of reality and common sense.

"encourage folks to register to vote and to vote."

Wheather they exist or not. Living or not. Got it.

Look a UFO… get you’r tin hats on GOP and hide in your bunkers.

Tessy you may want to read this.

They encouraged people to register to vote.

Not a problem, but it is a problem as to how many times they want a person to vote and people who don't even exist.

Not a problem, but it is a problem as to how many times they want a person to vote and people who don't even exist.

Huh? Your link has nothing to do with this statement.

Voter fraud, not a problem. Voter suppression, big problem. The GOP is going balls to the wall trying to suppress votes across the country in the hopes of denying Obama's reelection.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830

http://bangordailynews.com/2011/09/21/politics/secretary-of-state-finds-no-student-voter-fraud-but-maintains-system-is-vulnerable/

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1011/In_Ohio_Huckabee_counsels_vote_suppression_to_laughter.html

Disgusting attempts to subvert democracy.

Any future voter registration drive for the next generation, or till these idiots die of ignorance, will be labeled “Acorn” by the Fascist.

Wheather they exist or not. Living or not. Got it.

To jack & all the other teapublicans-Please show just one instance where someone who defrauded Acorn by giving an illegal registration actually voted or attempted to vote. I'll wait>

I was referring to the fact, Tessy, that you insinuated that ALL ACORN did was "register" folks to vote. No. Not at all. They Did LOTS AND LOTS of other things (not all of it legal). That's like saying all McDonalds does is sell Big Macs.

Tessy seems to be the only sane one in this argument, the rest seems to high on rhetoric fumes and Fixed Hacked Noise.

kjmgirl

okay, show some proof of the other things they supposedly did, or anything wrong that they did at all. thanks.

Steve,

I`m an Indy and have never been to or contributed to a Tea Party cause. (Although I wish them well)

Sheesh........... Project much ?

This imbecilic argument degrades everyones intelligence.

THe Right wallow in this filth and love it.

"If we suffer ourselves to be frightened from our post by mere

lying, surely the enemy will use that weapon; for what one so cheap

to those of whose system of politics morality makes no part?"

--Thomas Jefferson to John Sullivan, 1805.

Good for you Jack, I'm still waiting for a shred of proof that any of these illegal registrants attempted to vote!

800 lb

ACORN's priorities included: better housing and wages for the poor, more community development investment from banks and governments, better public schools, labor-oriented causes and social justice issues. ACORN pursued these goals through demonstration, negotiation, lobbying for legislation, and voter participation.^[14]

^{Straight from Wikipedia. So they did FAR MORE than register people to vote.}

^{Just google "law suits against ACORN. I got 773,000 hits in .2 seconds. Please don't ask me for all the links.}

Your link has nothing to do with this statement.

Has everything to do with tessy claiming acorn not existing anymore.

Steve,

"illegal registrants"

Thats not good enough ?

No it isn't! The news was full of people like "Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck" registering to vote. However there is no proof at all that they attempted to actually vote.

That is the difference between voter registration fraud(what happened with ACORN) and actual voter fraud(Something that recent history has shown is much more likely to be perpetrated by those on the right.)

@kjm....."ACORN's priorities included: better housing and wages for the poor, more community development investment from banks and governments, better public schools, labor-oriented causes and social justice issues. ACORN pursued these goals through demonstration, negotiation, lobbying for legislation, and voter participation" AND what part of that is ILLEGAL. and have you NEVER benefited from any of the perks that unions have gotten for the worker. NEVER.........

Is any of that BAD for America!!!!!!!

Putting words in my mouth? I never said any of it was bad for America. I simply told another poster that she was COMPLETELY wrong when she said all they did was register people to vote. Sheesh! Is it a reading problem or a comprehension problem?

Now, what part of it is "illegal?"

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/sep/hud-ig-exposes-more-acorn-fraud
Start there

The news was full of people like "Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck" registering to vote. However there is no proof at all that they attempted to actually vote.

LOL, the irony...they just took the time to register but never attempted...LMBO!! Most people don't go to the trouble to start a process if they have no intentions of finishing it...You people's reasoning skills amaze me!

Acorn

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/06/acorn-pleads-guilty-voter-registration-fraud-nevada/

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/10/08/the-nine-voting-lives-of-darne

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/10/08/the-nine-voting-lives-of-darne

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/04/criminal-charges-filed-against-acorn-two-employees/

http://rottenacorn.com/downloads/060728_badSeed.pdf

And lets not forget who they slept with? SEIU ring a bell.

That is the difference between voter registration fraud(what happened with ACORN) and actual voter fraud(Something that recent history has shown is much more likely to be perpetrated by those on the right.)

Well Steve...

Explain to all of us just why ACORN would be engaged in "voter registration fraud" if the intent was not to commit voter fraud? Just what the hell is the purpose?

And then explain to us why YOU would defend an organization that you seem to have admitted (since its been proven in court) was willfully engages in Voter Registration Fraud!

Why is it that you and so many others support an organization that has a clear history of Voter Registration Fraud?

If just one person that they registered fraudulently actually got to vote.... that means a eligible voter's vote was disenfranchised and their vote did not count.

Yet you and so many others on the Left support these people!

Steve... You like so many remind me so much like I just saw on MSNBC...

They said 80,000 jobs created and then said there needs to be over a 100,000 jobs be created every month just to stay the even.. YET....

.Did not question that the Administration says the unemployment rate went down...

Logic is not even part of the Lefts thought process ...

If you need to create 100,000 Plus ....jobs to stay even...How can 80,000 jobs LOWER the unemployment rate? Your negative 20,000 jobs and yet claim the jobless rate went down!

It's real simple Jim44(and other chicken little cluckers):

People(ACORN or their employees, or both), got paid for how many voter registrations they collected.

Some of them decided to not be thorough about verifying the registrants had actual legal rights to vote, or did so on purpose to make more $$.

Not even 1 of those who were falsely registered to vote, have been found guilty of actually getting into a voting booth an casting a vote. NOT SINGLE ONE.

Were there ACORN members guilty of registering non existent or people who weren't eligible? Yes.

Did it have any chance at affecting the actual vote. NO.

Those few incidences(percentage wise it was under 1% of all registeres voters), doesn't negate the fact that ACORN as a whole, had good intentions and have actually helped many average Americans.

Imagine if someone in your family was a criminal. How would you like it if everyone blamed your whole family for the actions of the bad family member? SOund fair to you?

To Steve-574461 who said in 4.23: "No it isn't! The news was full of people like "Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck" registering to vote. However there is no proof at all that they attempted to actually vote. That is the difference between voter registration fraud(what happened with ACORN) and actual voter fraud(Something that recent history has shown is much more likely to be perpetrated by those on the right." (Boldface added by me)

Oh, please. More likely to be perpetrated by those on the right? Here's a SMALL sample of Democrat voter fraud in the small state of NJ. One can only wonder what happens in DC, US territories, and the other 49 states.....

http://biggovernment.com/jokeefe/2010/10/26/top-union-official-caught-on-tape-discussing-voter-fraud-2/ (watch the video)

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/189401/voter-fraud-new-jersey/hans-von-spakovsky (Notice that Jon Corzine is mentioned in this article. Yes, the same Jon Corzine, former NJ Democratic governor who just resigned from MF Global due to FBI investigation regarding corporate fraud! He also has HEAVY ties to Obama's 2008 election and now his re-election.)

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/nj_campaign_worker_admits_elec.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/03/new-jersey-hospital-denies-claim-acorn-workers-collected-absentee-ballots/

http://www.northjersey.com/news/92939809_Seven_charged_with_voter_fraud.html (Rigo Rodriguez is a Democrat, btw)

http://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases10/pr20101202b.html

Please, I beg of you, Steve .... do some research before commenting. Neither party is pristine, but the onus and proof of voter fraud falls heavily on Democrats' history.

The Record/Star Ledger newspapers (northjersey.com) are extremely Liberal, by the way. They fully supported Obama, Corzine, and our current US Senators (Menendez and Lautenberg).

kjmgirl I hate to disappoint you, but if you read the report from your link in msg.# 4.25 http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Reports/9-21-10_HUD_OIG_-_Acorn_Housing_Corproation_Evauluation_of_HUD_Housing_Expenditures.pdf The only beef with Acorn is that they didn't use open enough competition when contracting health care, and other services for their employees - that they didn't document hourly wages correctly by specifically stating by a hour by hour basis what exactly their employees were working on and the source of funding for whatever they were working on, because a portion of their funding was from the Gov and part of the requirements was to super track what employees are working on throughout the day to make sure that the grant money only goes to hours worked on Gov specified projects, and lastly about $13,000 dollars of overpay paid to employees or in their name for a short period after they left the organization. The Problems all involve issues with fine tuning administrative policy, with a conclusion of ways to fine tune policy, not claims of crime or corruption or voter fraud or voter registration fraud.

james - hate to disappoint you, but:

However, investigators determined with certainty that ACORN violated HUD laws and policies by spending nearly 80% of its “housing counseling” funds to pay the salaries of its employees, even after they were terminated. Between 2008 and 2009, the scandal-plagued leftist community organization illegally used $2.5 million of the $3.3 million it received from Uncle Sam to help financially struggling homeowners, investigators found.

Yeah, it's generally a GOOD IDEA to "fine tune" your policies when they violate laws.

ebook, just a bit of advice: posting six links to lying right sites makes 1/6 as credible. You might want to keep it to one per post. I won't do anything for your credibility but it might reduce your glaring desperation quotient a smidge.

I dare say people who pay taxes that in turn gets given to the organization in grants should care.

People who pay taxes that are in turn given to BoA should care too. Keep in mind the entire budget of Acorn was roughly $25 mil. That's it.

Btw, Acorn no longer receives federal funding after astro-turf witch hunt the first time around.

I dare say people who pay taxes that in turn gets given to the organization in grants should care.

You mean no one? They don't get Federal funding remember?

You mean no one? They don't get Federal funding remember

I guess you don't know a shell game either? Very basic in Principal.

I guess you don't know a shell game either? Very basic in Principal.

I don't understand your line of reasoning. You're saying that they're playing a shell game with ACORN, but ACORN doesn't get federal funding, so...again, who cares?

I mean, it's not like the Tea Party plays shell games with huge corporate monies pretending they're real grassroots organizations. They are much more blatant about where their money comes from.

You're saying that they're playing a shell game with ACORN, but ACORN doesn't get federal funding, so...again, who cares?

Which confirms my statement ,that you don't understand a shell game and the playing of the tea party tells me you don't know where Obama got his funds from. One just went broke and another bunch just got big loans pushed by him to pay them back. But I guess you think that' ok because it benefits the left?

Which confirms my statement ,that you don't understand a shell game and the playing of the tea party tells me you don't know where Obama got his funds from

No, I understand what a shell game is, I'm saying I really don't care and you being outraged about this makes me wonder why you care either.

I don't care if the left does it, the right does it, I honestly just don't care. We all know how these games are played and pretending that one side does it while the other side doesn't would be hypocritical.

I know where Obama's funds come from too, I know because I know one of his bundlers and have friends in the administration.

Everyone does it, it's how the system works, and that's why I don't care. Meanwhile while we're derping about this, real problems still remain and I think it's more important to focus on those.

So ACORN got de-funded ...

So then they renamed themselves, and now can get funding again ..Right?

Simple.... People the same, goals the same, office the same...Only change the NAME!

Only change the NAME!

Ah, freedom, it's awesome isn't it?

Btw...

"Following the publication of the videos, four different independent investigations by various state and city Attorneys General and the GAO released in 2009 and 2010 cleared ACORN, finding its employees had not engaged in criminal activities and that the organization had managed its federal funding appropriately, and calling the videos deceptively and selectively edited to present the workers in the worst possible light."

From wikipedia using http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/us/politics/20acorn.html

So keep derping, because we know how independent investigations all come to the same conclusion. *rolls eyes*

Now can we talk about jobs or do your guys' faux outrage know no bounds in its irrationality?

if a name change gets their funding back, then so be it. they should have never lost it in the first place.

There's been no secret about their name change.

Now can we talk about jobs or do your guys' faux outrage know no bounds in its irrationality?

Sure we can.... Its not the Federal Governments job to CREATE jobs... Jobs created by Government are government jobs...They cost the American Taxpayer money!

If the Government wants to Simulate job growth... Get the Fluck out of the way and let the system create jobs...

Government (stimulus) jobs cost money and are temporary... The last "stimulus" payed for teachers, Police and Fire Fighters... RIGHT? So new we need to do it again?

So are local Teachers, Police and Fire Fighters now Federal Government employees? If without Federal money they can't be payed ...THEY ARE!

Stop the BS ... The people of one State should not be paying for public services in another State through their tax dollars!

Stop the BS ... The people of one State should not be paying for public services in another State through their tax dollars!

Yeah! You're right, everyone has to take care of their own! It's not like the majority of tax dollars go to medicare and social security for elderly people in all the states--oh wait.

If the Government wants to Simulate job growth... Get the Fluck out of the way and let the system create jobs...

So how's the government stopping you Jim from employing people? Let me guess, you want to start a tire burning company for energy and that pesky EPA says you can't pollute the air right? Oh, I know, you can't have child slave labor? Perhaps you were going to start a marijuana farm?

Jim, if we did that, the red states would suffer.

Stop the BS ... The people of one State should not be paying for public services in another State through their tax dollars!

Stop the BS ... The people of one State should not be paying for public services in another State through their tax dollars!

That's right!

The Blue States should stop supporting those Red Welfare States!

There should be a Constitutional Amendment that says that no state shall receive more money from the Federal Government than they paid in Federal Taxes.

Fact...

Let me guess, you want to start a tire burning company for energy and that pesky EPA says you can't pollute the air right? Oh, I know, you can't have child slave labor? Perhaps you were going to start a marijuana farm?

Well that sent you right to the head of the class for bringing an intellectually honest argument to the discussion... NOT !

TennisMom

Jim, if we did that, the red states would suffer.

Clearly, as would the Blue States... But it just might be time to take our medicine and all suffer just a bit! Sad but true...

Terry

There should be a Constitutional Amendment that says that no state shall receive more money from the Federal Government than they paid in Federal Taxes.

OK ...But before you do that ya might want to check on which States are Broke...Just saying!

Stop the BS ... The people of one State should not be paying for public services in another State through their tax dollars!

That would require a constitutional amendment to repeal the 16th amendment. Good luck with that. No red state would support it. It would turn off the spigot and pronto.

Well that sent you right to the head of the class for bringing an intellectually honest argument to the discussion... NOT !

You still didn't answer the question, I was mocking you for acting like the 'big bad government' is keeping people from making jobs. I started my company two years ago during the height of the recession, employ 20 folks and am doing fine, so what's the excuse now?

I mean, it's not a difficult question, since 'the man' is apparently in businesses way' to creating jobs, can you name even one way the government is preventing business from creating jobs?

Or are you essentially going to call me 'intellectually dishonest' and then walk away smug that you're so much smarter than me? Because then if that is true most of us in the top 1 percent are idiots.

I know which States receive more Federal Money than they contribute.

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Monday, September 27, 2004

The Tax Foundation has released a fascinating report showing which states benefit from federal tax and spending policies, and which states foot the bill.

The report shows that of the 32 states (and the District of Columbia) that are "winners" -- receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 76% are Red States that voted for George Bush in 2000. Indeed, 17 of the 20 (85%) states receiving the most federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Red States. Here are the Top 10 states that feed at the federal trough (with Red States highlighted in bold):

States Receiving Most in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. D.C. ($6.17)
2. North Dakota ($2.03)
3. New Mexico ($1.89)
4. Mississippi ($1.84)
5. Alaska ($1.82)
6. West Virginia ($1.74)
7. Montana ($1.64)
8. Alabama ($1.61)
9. South Dakota ($1.59)
10. Arkansas ($1.53)

In contrast, of the 16 states that are "losers" -- receiving less in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 69% are Blue States that voted for Al Gore in 2000. Indeed, 11 of the 14 (79%) of the states receiving the least federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Blue States. Here are the Top 10 states that supply feed for the federal trough (with Blue States highlighted in bold):

States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)

Two states -- Florida and Oregon (coincidentally, the two closest states in the 2000 Presidential election) -- received $1.00 in federal spending for each $1.00 in federal taxes paid.

Terry

And where did you get your statistics?

But how about we break these numbers down ...As the left so loves ... Fair... Equal ... so can we look at the amount of money each state receives per Capita ?

http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/fas-09.pdf

Looks like the highest numbers are still predominantly red states with that, too. FAIL, Jim.

C'mon guys stop picking on Texas for being a welfare state :p

46 Of 50 States Could File Bankruptcy In 2009-2010

http://www.infowars.com/46-of-50-states-could-file-bankruptcy-in-2009-2010/

You might want to give up the Red Vs Blue Thing .... they are about all screwed ....

Can you say Greece?

Jim, now try telling us something we didn't already know. Sheeesh..

Wow, something from Infowars predicting stuff in 2009 and 2010 that didn't ever actually happen. Whodathunkit?

Carol,

" Acorn still tries to help small businesses and put the homeless into apartments."

I thought they were not around anymore.

Yes jackjack-712749 - ACORN no longer exists thanks to the gop/teabaggers.

Well, what is it ?

they are soooo confused, jackjack....

Remember Soph`s motto.

When such organization wins in court to lie and mislead, it does not apply.

Yeah, those black panthers armed with guns in philly, that was just a camera trick, right?

How is that any different than tea partiers running around with guns?

I thought you 2nd Amendment lovers would be all for folk carrying guns!

What Black Panthers with guns in Philly?

Are you talking about the 2 guys standing outside the polling place?

Yeah, they were strapped.

53 Percenter

Yeah, they were strapped.

So you hate the 1st *and* the 2nd Amendment. Why do you hate America so much?

The 2 Black Panthers at the Philly polling place in 2008 were armed with sticks NOT guns!

I've watched the video several times, and unlike some people here I can tell the difference between a gun and a stick.

Hey he said they were strapped...of course when you watch Fake Fox News all day, and then hide your wife and children from "The Black Panthers" after Sean Insanity scares the living chit out of you...strapped means "they were carrying AK47's and threatening to kill all the white people and ACORN was funding them"...

...but the rest of us know it was just a frekin' umbrella, or a broom handle, or a toilet plunger...and it was just a litle squirrel playing with an acorn(rolls eyes)

Strapped...LOL!

The "panthers" were not armed with guns, but if they were would the teapubs have a problem with it? Or do they only think right wingnuts should be allowed to carry?

The Bush DoJ investigated and found nothing. It was just another right wing: SCARY LOOKING BLACK MEN OVER THERE!!!! hysteria episode. What else is new?

serious enough for jackjack to post comments of no value

GoCubbies, please pick up the gray phone in the lobby, Irony is on hold for you.

Off topic,

Go Cubbies,

I live in Missouri, raised in St. Louis, got a trivia question.

How many World Series has the Cubs won ? ****Grins****

Runner...that was kind of the point of my post. Maybe you should stay on the line, I hear common sense might be speaking next.

jackjack, do you think I give a flying crap about who has won the world series and when? If that is your attempt at an insult (which it obviously was) then its a pretty pathetic go at it. Your team won a series or two...so what? That must mean you are a better person than me...oh dear I value your insight so much that it has negatively impacted my life.

And runner...since its obvious that you have no ability to read sarcasm without a tag.... /s

and congratulations on being raised in an area of America that consistently ranks at the bottom tier in education...it certainly shows

I already talked to him...perhaps you didn't understand, but that's okay. He'll call you back later.

GoCubbies,

" If that is your attempt at an insult (which it obviously was) then its a pretty pathetic go at it."

"congratulations on being raised in an area of America that consistently ranks at the bottom tier in education...it certainly shows"

Pot meet kettle.

BTW the answer is 11. Cubs 0

Oh yeah, I went to a private school. Epic fail.

Wow...I'm humbled and absolutely embarassed. Again...who you root for in sports means nothing to me. I don't look up to or down on anyone because of what team they follow.

How does me being a Cubs fan have any bearing on the validity of your or my statements?

Are you a better person than anyone who roots for a team that has less World Series wins than your beloved team? Exactly what is the purpose of attempting to insult me via who you root for?

And how does going to a private school...strike that, how does claiming you went to a private school give any credence to your education?

GoCubbies,

"how does claiming you went to a private school give any credence to your education?"

Because you went here:

"being raised in an area of America that consistently ranks at the bottom tier in education"

They dont rate private schools. Look up CBC in St. Louis. I graduated in the class of `78.

Your correct. Anyone can claim anything on these blogs.

Got better things to do......

Have a nice day

jj:

They dont rate private schools. Look up CBC in St. Louis. I graduated in the class of `78.

Your correct.

I'm sure you are a credit your private school education.

By the way, it's "you're", not "your" correct.

You have a nice day too.

Arcon is gone there is no such organization any more… this is ridicules

Where on earth does this bogus stuff come from, they changed their name.

Read please?

If I have a business alled Tam's TinkerToys and I close it down and open a new business call Tam's model cars, it doesn't mean I have renamed my store. It means I have opened a whole new business with a new business lic. Just because there are some of the same people involved that doesn't mean it is the same community oranization. Who Cares!

Who cares if they changed their name or not...ACORN is as uninfluential as another Fake News boogeyman...The Black Panthers!

But leave it to Sean Insanity, and Bill O Really? they're the biggest threat to western civilization on the planet - all 100 of them, if there's that many!

Wikapeadea.

Any new voter registration drive will be labeled as ACORN by the idiots on the Right at FOX. And you will goose step along and follow it.

Regardless of the fact that they set ACORN up in scam in the first place.

So.. Just more voter suppression propaganda from the Far-Right terrorist headquarters of FOX.

I gave the link… did you notice? LOL.

I just suck at typing.

This is just another stupid Far-Right propaganda piece from the terroist enemies from within who headquarter at FOX NEWS that all patriotic Americans' swore an oath to defend our republic from..

the whole acorn in the title gave this one away. thank you foxnews, you never fail to get me to laugh.

800 lb. gorilla: Yes, the seeder's title displays false information.

Edit: I apologize to the seeder. The FOX article displays false information.

this is ridicules. The Right are the stupidest group of Americans in History.

I'm just going to leave this here for you to figure out the irony.

es- gotta love it!

yes, the post that claims that the people on the right are stupid has ridiculous spelled incorrectly, and this story is made up propaganda. i am not sure which is worse. <sarc.

I am.

Yep we found 'um in zoo-poopie park with the pot-testers...um I mean protesters. You did mean the Wallstreet musta done-it stinkers? Right?

Another rightie goes on my ignore list.

Well you did ask.

Ba-bing, slam dunk!! Ah, don't you feel bad, runner? That was hilarious though!!

ummmm hummmm.

you can turn off the laugh track now.

most of us heard crickets chirping.

Did you folks that take every word that is said on Fox as gospel ever stop to think for a moment why they are trying so hard to get you to hate ACORN and OWS (fellow Americans)?

Cheese and peas, so much NASTINESS!

Do you folks take every word that is said on FOX as a lie? Ever stop to think that JUST MAYBE they get something right now and then?

kjmgirl, you didn't answer my question. Why are they always trying to steer your beliefs? Why do you think?

And yes, they do report actual news at times. But a majority of what they do is opinion, and there are TONS of non-facts flying around during those times.

Yep we found 'um in zoo-poopie park with the pot-testers...um I mean protesters. You did mean the Wallstreet musta done-it stinkers? Right?

That ranks (and I mean that in all senses of the word) right down there with Bush's little comedy skit about lying about WMDs. Let's see, at last count over 4500 U.S. soldiers and civilians and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi died because of that hilarious joke. You must be so proud of you support for all that needless killing.

Jupiter -ALL media steers your beliefs - that's what they do. It's called RATINGS. I occassionally watch fox NATIONAL news - but quickly flip channels when Sean Hannity is on. I think Fox does a very good job with their actual NEWS, but I do not agree with some of the opinion shows. I'm pretty sure that everyone who watches Fox is well aware of what is a NEWS show and what is an opinion show.

I can say the same exact thing about Mr Ed, the talking horse's ass and Rachel Maddow.

I would hope that people are smart enough (yeah, right) to be able to distinguish between opinion and fact. That being said, even Glenn Beck gets something right at least once a month.

kj:

Do you folks take every word that is said on FOX as a lie? Ever stop to think that JUST MAYBE they get something right now and then?

No.

Tennismom ...Your better than that!

Jim, ;).

WTF does this have to do with GOP candidates?

They are FOX Hounds on the FOX leash and the epitome of stupidity that's what.

Acorn!!!

Czars!!!

Obummer!!!!

Where is Glenn Beck to save us all?????

Sounds like a perfect description of ACORN! Caught again!

Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot you where a Fox fanatic.

Elaine,

Hallo Kitty.

Hallo Kitty.

Typical.

I use my real name here BTW.

Why are you so afraid to?

Elaine-1503791

Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot you where a Fox fanatic.

No apology necessary. Speaking of fanatic......did ACORN register you to vote? Are you really Batman or Daffy Duck in disguise?

Perhaps you should reread the COH, Elaine.

Tyler Durden-330839

Acorn!!!

Czars!!!

Obummer!!!!

Where is Glenn Beck to save us all?????

Beck is running a web-based pay-for-video site now. Same kind of business model as internet porn, only with less believable plots..

Same kind of business model as internet porn, only with less believable plots..

LOL

But I'm guessing just as many fake orgasms.

That fake anger just feels soooo good.

Beck is running a web-based pay-for-video site now.

Nope...Wrong ..missed the mark... And most likely intentionally misleading...

Pay for view is a single viewing of an event... A Membership which allows access for a month or a agreed upon time period is not "pay for view" ...

You pay for Internet, cable , a telephone...? No different! You pay for a service ... for a designated period of time... Pay - for - use ....

Same kind of business model as internet porn, only with less believable plots..

Lets see... You seem to have a better understanding than I of how "internet porn" works...

Some might wonder how it is you have such great personal knowledge of their business model... But that seems like a personal thing so I will not request information as to how it is you seem to have such a deep personal knowledge of the internet PORN business model!

But might I ask a question?

Does any service I use that I pay for by the month or for a set period of time... EQUAL the same business model of INTERNET PORN...? As you suggest Becks business uses?

Since I pay for my internet access by the month are they then also using this same model? Because I also pay for my Phone and Cable, Electricity and water by the month ...are they all using this same INTERNET PORN Business model? I pay an amount to have a service provided...

But it was a nice try to attempt to demean Becks new service! But IMHO very transparent... Because it would seem by your logic all business that use a membership or bill monthly for a service are equal to the INTERNET PORN Industry ....

So anyone that has a Sam's membership in your mind is the same as someone that is a member of a INTERNET Porn site? I get it!

Thanks for a peek into your view of your fellow Americans...

Jim44

Thanks for a peek into your view of your fellow Americans...

You say something nasty about "The Left" in almost every post you ever make, you are not on the high road here. And what other "entertainer" can you name here that makes you pay to view them?

Howzat Goldline stock holding up there, Jim? I hear it's a can't miss cuz Glen Beck stands behind it four square. Buy more while you can.

You say something nasty about "The Left" in almost every post you ever make

Really ...PROVE IT!!! I challenge you ...or anyone else to PROVE THAT STATEMENT!

And I Also challenge those that are on the left that care about fairness... to Stand up and comment on that COMMENT!

That I " say something nasty about "The Left" in almost every post you ever make"

Lets see who will stand up and be honest!

Is Jupiter2..... RIGHT?

And what other "entertainer" can you name here that makes you pay to view them?

What other person has their own Internet TV connection? The answer would be NONE!

So your comparing apples to an empty fruit basket are you not? Beck has broken into a whole new media... And some might think it petty to attack someone for doing such!

So tell me Jupiter2 just what Progressive is on the Internet with a live streaming daily radio show? That also has an after the show.. show for another hour... Then an hour of classic TV (oldies) ..then a show geared at children and then finishes the day with a 2 hour Live Internet streamed TV show?Just like the Progressives ..Right?

That also has Documentaries that you can watch on demand, and has their National rated #3 syndicated Radio Show on a 6 camera live web feed? That also has a Web Feed live blog that allows viewers to comment during the show? All of which is available ON DEMAND ... On Ifone or Ipad...

Let me know !

And what other "entertainer" can you name here that makes you pay to view them?

No one "makes you pay" ... Well other than the government....

Not being a mindless person..Spending my money is something I ACTIVELY do...I am not MADE to do it?

Does someone MAKE you watch certain TV Channels? Do you have cable? Do they Make you pay for certain channels?

If not just what makes you think I or anyone else is made to pay to watch Beck?

Zero logic in your argument! Thank You, and have a great Day!

jmorris didn't say pay FOR view, or pay-per-view.

he/she said pay for video.

With Beck, you could call it pay-for-crap, pay-for-theatrics, pay-for-bullsh*t, or pay-for-rhetoric, and they would all be accurate descriptions.

Keep on deflecting from Beck's making money of the sheep for BS, Jim.

No one asked how website or cable video/movie subscriptions work.

illegitimae non carborundum - - - Actually when G. Beck began first began sharing the fact that gold was going to see a major increase in value back when I started on his and others recommendations to start investing in gold, it was at $680.00 per oz. (I think I waited until it was around $700.00 + before I began). The last time I checked though it was around $1,700.00 per oz. ($1,650-$1,750). Currently I've made around $35,000 in profit (even after cashing in a small amount after it hit $1,900.00 to help my son out).

So, you ask " How's that Goldline stock holding up there?" I can answer that ... "Quite well thank you."

Maybe you'd do better in investing in "Weiner" stock. That is Anthony Weiner stock mind you. (lol)

I guess we can only take your word for it. But:

Goldline Fraud

Lobo

he/she said pay for video

Which would demonstrate that they don't really know what they are talking about ...Since it is broadcast LIVE!!!!!

Video gives the impression that it is a recorded event, does it not?

With Beck, you could call it pay-for-crap, pay-for-theatrics, pay-for-bullsh*t, or pay-for-rhetoric, and they would all be accurate descriptions.

And you know this how exactly? Have you watched it or do you always take other peoples word for things and allow them to tell you what to think and say?

Keep on deflecting from Beck's making money of the sheep for BS, Jim.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing ... isn't it... But more to you "deflecting" comment... I didn't bring up Beck...... jmorris did!

No one asked how website or cable video/movie subscriptions work.

Information is free! So, No charge..............

Howzat Goldline stock holding up there, Jim?

Well, being Goldline International Inc is a PRIVATELY owned company and is not traded on the stock exchange... No one owns their stock! But, it seems you didn't know that, now did you? Kind of takes all the sting out of your comment, being its a wrong assumption hahaha !

But as Ron has pointed out ... and you can play all the word games you want ! But, the price of gold is a world wide traded commodity ...Its not a secret at its value ... Quite simple subtract what you payed for it for what its current value is and ...BAM ...

Even Progressives should be able to understand if you buy something at $700 and sell it for $1700 ....It was a good investment!

I can't understand how it is Progressives keep bringing this subject up when it makes them look so foolish!

Just how was making that big a profit ...Make Beck look bad? Gold in the last year has gone up over 27% ... Name me an investment that has made that much profit on an investment! And over 181% in the last 5 years...

This is an argument that you can't win (the numbers tell their own story) and makes many look foolish for keep bringing it up! Beck recommending something that made many people a lo9t of money... and trying to tell them it was a sham is well a losing argument! And says more about them then Beck or those that took advantage of his advice...

Tell me which was foolish the person that ridicule Beck or the one that bought Gold at $700 an OZ that is now worth $1.754 an OZ..?

Because you have noting and I have over doubled my investment...

http://www.goldprice.org/

So you've already said. Are you trying to impress me or convince yourself?

Are you trying to impress me or convince yourself?

Neither....

Just like Beck! Who says...Its not for everyone..Says he doesn't buy it as investment but as insurance... Against Hyper-inflation... Having something of values versus a piece of paper that can have zero value...

Tell me whats wrong with that?

But.... Find out for yourself ... If you believe in God pray on it and do what is best FOR YOU! Its your money and you get to make your choice.... CHOICE is the mantra of the Left is it not?

Its really just that simple...

Cheney shredded a lot, too.

Any concern??

SO WHAT IF THEY ARE?????

Elaine, I am asking how many people do you think they paid to go down there if they did? And if they did, what laws did they break in any way?

Elaine, I am asking how many people do you think they paid to go down there if they did? And if they did, what laws did they break in any way?

I am not Elaine... but might I comment?

I am asking how many people do you think they paid to go down there if they did?

If its one then its more than they admit to... So why do you except lies from those you support and not want to hold them responsible?

And if they did, what laws did they break in any way?

None.... They are just misrepresenting themselves and you seem OK with that! How do you claim the mantle of grass roots when you hire your protester... Yet sit there and agree with claims that the Tea Party was "according to Speaker (then) Pelosi Astor Turf....

You seem to accept Hypocrisy from those you support while damning the same actions in those you don't...

And that makes you look How? Even in your own eyes!

Lets See.................

I will condemn those I disagree with for the same things I will condone in those I support!

I get it!

you need to read up...sorry.

Don't dismiss a good idea simply because you don't like the source. Soph0571

Don't dismiss a good idea simply because you don't like the source. Soph0571

which would apply in this comment...if you were actually responding to soph.

It would apply even more if it was a good idea.

Everything that comes from FAUX has to be viewed with a hearty dose of skepticism and suspicion. To take anything from FAUX for truth is simple ignorance. That has been proven over and over and over and over........

I don't like the taste of bullchit.

You think the other net works are any better? They all have their agenda. I don't see how anyone could believe most of what any of them say. I can barely believe the weather report...

Actually, no I don't.

I just think FAUX is at the tip top of the manure pile.

When something makes me mad first i have to get honest with myself about what I am mad about if something actually challenges my beliefs I need to check what i believe.

The media does not get me too mad because I am as firm as possible on what I believe to be true. If something changes my mind it is not usually the media that makes me do it.

If the media started being good to Ron Paul I might think he had sold out.

Unfortunately we all have to get our information somewhere and it is too easy to make the choice to only listen to the media outlets that are saying what we individually want to hear. They all know that and pander to it, instead of just reporting events as things happen. So we are left to sift through the crap and try to find nuggets of truth. I do believe however that FAUX is the worst offender of all. Pity those that are either too lazy or too ignorant to look past the hype and spin and that DO allow the media to tell them what they should think and believe.

That's what makes me MAD. It makes my blood boil. (Not good for the BP!)

Fast-and-Furious: You are so witty!

No one said that they were sweet, little people. If you read my post, I stated that they had problems. However, the conservative media unjustly demonized them. Furthermore, they did good work, which was recognized by many from both sides of the aisle.

but the voter fraud issue did not exist,

Really?

On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

and..

Acorn's relationship to the Obama campaign is a matter of public record. Last year, Citizens Consulting Inc., the umbrella group controlling Acorn, was paid $832,000 by the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote efforts in key primary states. In filings with the Federal Election Commission, the campaign listed the payments as "staging, sound, lighting," only correcting them after reporters from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review revealed their true nature.

Mr. Obama distanced himself from the group's scandals last year, saying "We don't need Acorn's help." Nevertheless, he got his start as a community organizer at Acorn's side. In 1992, he headed a registration effort for Project Vote, an Acorn partner at the time. In 1995, he represented Acorn in a key case upholding the new Motor Voter Act -- the very law whose mandated postcard registration system Acorn workers use to flood election offices with bogus registrations.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html

Nothing to see here move along........... So the President payed them over $800,000 dollars ... No connection there..Your right ..LOL

I prefer to drink it.

The Obama re-election team isn't orchestrating this.

Fast-and-Furious: Again, you display such wit.

What do President Clinton's antics have to do with this article?

why the @!$%# would the obama re-election team be orchestrating this? also, if you are going on the name acorn being in there, well you may want to rethink that, since obama really had very little to do with acorn ever.

You Asked For It!

Obama re-election team isn't orchestrating this.

The Occupy movement is an open source movement. The 'leadership' changes every day, and everyone understands how this works. Moreover, this is driving police stark-raving mad. There is no one person or committee of people that they can harass and/or intimidate. And as the movement is peaceable, the police are denied any effective role. The violence and vicil disruption occurs entirely on THEIR side of the fences that they erect. The POLICE are the lawbreakers and wrongdoers. THEY have set themselves against the people. And with each act of terrorism against the population, the movement grows. The more severe and diabolical are the police attacks on unarmed civilians, the more quickly the movement will grow until it reaches critical mass and then leads to a nation united in its refusal to fear, respect, serve, sustain, obey -- or above all, believe -- its government.

Essentially, this isn't a partizan thing at all. It is about giving the state a bill of divorce. We can have our own country. We don't need our current 'leaders.' We don't need their parties, promises, Presidents, elections, juridical and court system, monetary system, domestic policy and consumerism, foreign policy and militarism. We don't need their constitution, their past with its sainted heroes, and we don't need its beatific vision of glories that will never be.

Least of all, Castor Bridge, do we need Y - O- U.

We have the right to be a people. We have the right to create new institutions and processes of state. We have the right to create new, legal structures. We have the right to articulate, pursue and realize those policies necessary to sustain life and communities. We don't need your permission to do this. We don't need to ask. It is ours. We're taking it.

All this is strategically brilliant. Moreover, the Occupy movement has refused to give a hearing to Charlie Rangel, other Democratic figures, as well as trade union bosses.

Did I mention, Castor, that this isn't about partisanship?

800

also, if you are going on the name acorn being in there, well you may want to rethink that, since obama really had very little to do with acorn ever.

Can I mention SEIU then? And would you like to make that same claim? That President Obama had "very little to do with" SEIU?

Jim44

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also, if you are going on the name acorn being in there, well you may want to rethink that, since obama really had very little to do with acorn ever.

Can I mention SEIU then? And would you like to make that same claim? That President Obama had "very little to do with" SEIU?

I suppose you can mention it. SEIU is a great thing for the workers and President Obama worked as a community leader/ organizer. You are free to mention his dedication to the workers of America any time you want.

I was just listening today to a story on NPR (I know RWers don't believe in them!) about workers, I think they were talking about in the prisons and were comparing the workers in the state prison system and the "outsourced" prison systems in the same states.

It seems as though the State workers had better pay, medical retirement and working conditions than the private businesses outsourced by the state. That did not surprise me, but then came the fine print that you will not hear on "Fox" type of programing.

Interesting enough, the savings that the private businesses made by cutting the workers benefits WERE NOT passed on to the states.

So that is the way it goes. The anti labor elected officials outsource their business to their friends and supporters, they then pay about the same, and the new owners slash benefits from the workers and put it into their pockets.

So where is the saving for the states? This is a good example of Right Wing Business Logic being put into practice. It is happening to the school systems in my own state as we speak. It is happening in ALL of the Tea Party states. Is it happening in the more liberal states? I don't know of any, do you?

Sorry to bust in on your thread 800, but this really was stretching the "spin" a bit too much.

800 lb. gorilla - - - "obama really had very little to do with acorn ever"??? - - - Really????

I'm surprised you can even say that ("technically" type it) with a straight face. Do you really think that? or are you trying to be sarcastic? I hope you are saying it "tongue in cheek", because if you're not I have to seriously question the intelligence of the source.

first off, the thread is about acorn supposedly firing workers and shredding documents. there is nothing in the piece that suggests that the allegations are anything more than hearsay. that being said, the obama ties to acorn are known, and have largely been found to be inconsequential. if someone has proof that he has been extensively involved with them in recent years, then have at it. however, even if you find this proof, i would probably reply, okay, but what does that have to do with the price of beans? it was, at best, a moot point, so it would be a hollow victory anyway.

800

also, if you are going on the name acorn being in there, well you may want to rethink that, since obama really had very little to do with acorn ever.

Can I mention SEIU then? And would you like to make that same claim? That President Obama had "very little to do with" SEIU?

then this is almost not worth commenting upon. it is an aside of an aside. this is supposed to be somewhat like debate. posting off-topic comments to bolster one's argument is not suggested, and then jim44 took it another degree away. this isn't six degrees of obama criticisms. the thread is about the supposed acorn involvement with the occupy movement. comment #23 is somewhat ridiculous, and now i am trapped in some crazy vortex of insanity.

ron w.

please provide your evidence of the nefarious obama/acorn ties.

please provide your evidence of the nefarious obama/acorn ties.

Come on 800.. You have over time proven yourself to for the most part, one of the most Intellectually Honest on the Left on the Vine... But my Soph in H.S son could find that connection...

pssssssssssssss And please notice the source CNN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v68Nzsu_crw

CNN: Obama And ACORN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJa-BijgrI&feature=related

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgBl89_FNP8&feature=related

Its a funny thing ..Youtube has changed how we view politicians...

And how about this SEIU Video ?

" Make Your Agenda A Reality" 1:23

" Your agenda has been my agenda" 3:13

" before debating health care I talked to Andy Stern and SEIU members" 3:23

"just imagine having a president who's life work is your work" 4:03

Yep 800 no influence there at all... or any indications of how he might govern as president with regard to SEIU... Want to re-look at the logs of Andy Stern's visits to the White House?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ1NJaCtIkM&feature=related

SEIU’s Stern Tops White House Visitor List

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/10/30/seius-stern-tops-white-house-visitor-list/

If it Looks like Chit, Smells like Chit, Feels like Chit it would probably Taste like Chit... But I will trust my other senses... Because I already Know its a Pile of Chit!

800 lb. gorilla - - - I really haven't had much experience communicating with you on the vine, so I will take Jim44's word that you are for the most part an intellectually honest individual. Your assessment though, flies in the face of reality i.e. you not acknowledging the very intimate relationship with ACORN and its off chutes of Obama (up until their ties were shed light upon and he had to go backdoor).

Jim44 beat me to it providing some of the more obvious video's of Obama's close relationship with them and other like-minded organizations (of which there are hundreds of videos provided which speak to the truth of the matter). Jim44 is very good at documenting and taking time to verify to people things they may or may not know (or intentionally overlook or misrepresent) and I always commend him for that

But, let's not forget that Obama (as ACORN's lawyer), sued Citibank in 1994 (Buycks-Roberson case), to force Citibank into giving sub prime loans to home buyers with poor credit ratings, setting the stage for the mortgage meltdown which still plagues our society today.

There are multitudes of examples of Obama standing before meetings of ACORN and other community organizers promising them his full support if he became President.

I hope that Jim44 and I have satisfactorily honored your request to quote "provide your evidence of the nefarious obama/acorn ties". It really doesn't take too much searching on the Internet to find such references (even though many of the most damaging ones have been scrubbed by Obama supporters and the DNC).

One video though that I believe Jim44 did not cover was a video that is still available on U-Tube regarding the subject ...

• OBAMA CAUGHT SAYING ACORN AND FRIENDS WILL SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU&feature=player_detailpage

Partly because of his early mentoring by Frank Marshall and his close association and ties with such individuals like Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Andy Stern, Cass Susstein and Richard Trumka (just to name a few), I have an extremely hard time believing that Obama wants to see a strong America, and would rather facilitate a detrimental "change" to our country which would cripple America now and well into its future or possible demise.

This change is not about just getting rid of a few "capitalists" who cause harm to our financial well being or a reform in the regulations which govern Wall St. practices. It is about "fundamentally" changing America which has been a strong and benevolent leader in the world for almost a century (definitely since after the 2nd World War).

since obama really had very little to do with acorn ever.

okay, you guys got me. i should have put "very little, of consequence,".

yes, there are ties, but they are not that nefarious, which was my point. his most strong ties are from some training he provided, and a court case he was involved with in the 1990s. except for the money, according to cnn, for the voter canvassing during the primaries, i haven't seen a lot in more recent years. he can tell community organization groups that he will include them in the discussion of shaping america's agenda. that is his right, and is a wise thing. everyone should be included in the discussion.

on the larger point, do the both of you contend that obama administration is the one pulling the strings for the occupy movement? there is no evidence that the obama administration is orchestrating the occupy movement, which is how we got here. and there is no evidence that he had anything to do with workers from acorn creating false registration lists. did he tell people to put troy aikman, michael irvin, and emmitt smith, on the registration lists? if not, then this is really a strawman. you guys got me on semantics on one statement in a sub-thread, which you have clearly lost. unless you were just cherry-picking and blasting somewhat erroneous statements. i have no problem with that. good job, then.

i was really just making an offhand comment on a ridiculous post on this thread. i can admit that i did not put much thought into it.

800 ^5 ... voted up ...

I just saw a squirrel running around with one.

Some teabagger lost his mind?

ROFL TheyreAllCrooks!