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How confusing! Many Muslims say Osama bin Laden wasn't a Muslim, but now we see Muslim groups holding signs declaring that bin Laden is their hero and vowing revenge for his death. So which is it? Islamic extremists are Muslims, or they aren't? Where are the Muslim protests around the world declaring bin Laden does not represent their religion? All I see are Muslim's vowing revenge.
USAMA IS MUSLIM HERO
"The blood of the holy warrior sheik, Usama bin Laden, God bless him, is too precious to us and to all Muslims to go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."
"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness," it said, "their blood will be mingled with their tears."
Al Qaeda Confirms Bin Laden's Death on Islamist Websites
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/06/al-qaeda-confirms-bin-ladens-death-islamist-websites/
#1 - Fri May 6, 2011 3:54 PM EDTI wonder how long Israel will hold out before leveling all these nutjobs...doing the job we should have done a long, long time ago.
They are right, there will be many more to take his place. Our economy can't bear the weight of all this for much longer.
Had we simply gone in dropped a couple of nukes, problem would have been solved, and we'd not have lost all the lives we lost and will continue to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan!
They are right, there will be many more to take his place. Our economy can't bear the weight of all this for much longer.
Did you ever think that this is their original plan, letting us bleed economically until death. They know that no matter how many terror attacks they do, it won't kill the whole nation, but making us bleed economically, in our attempt to engage in a war against them will kill us!
I do know about the radicals attempt to collapse our economy, and I wish we could people to see how this administration is trying to do exactly that as well. It is everything they do, not just with national security, but with their out-of-control spending, money wasted on stimuluses and gov't programs that failed miserably. Not to mention the healthcare bill that will end up costing us more for health insurance than we already pay. Seems the gov't and the radicals have the same agenda.
Had we simply gone in dropped a couple of nukes, problem would have been solved
I agree 100%, Jim.
Had we simply gone in dropped a couple of nukes, problem would have been solved, and we'd not have lost all the lives we lost and will continue to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan!
So we should have dropped nukes on millions of innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq while chasing after AT MOST a couple of thousand militants? All while disregarding the fact that we are NOT at war with the people or the governments of Afghanistan or Iraq? You people are too much!!
Heeisnhairmetal: Tell me do you honestly believe they gave a second thought about the 3,000 innocent people in the World Trade Center when they flew into those buildings?
So why on earth should I feel any different?
Did you ever think that this is their original plan, letting us bleed economically until death.
Actually i think that was bin Laden's origianl goal-- not merely killing a lot of Americans-- but mainly weakening the US economy
#2.8, Less than 3,000 died in the towers because people evacuated. I heard that about 50,000 people worked there!
And concerning the economic cost to America, it was over one trillion dollars.
#2.8, Less than 3,000 died in the towers because people evacuated. I heard that about 50,000 people worked there!
And concerning the economic cost to America, it was over one trillion dollars.
So I guess that from bin Laden's POV -- 911 was an overwhelming success....
Larry I guess you missed the added counts of bodies found a year later while still removing what was left of the towers and the numbers of families who were paid in excess of a million dollars each for their loss(es).
And they are still trying to identify remains that still have no names! So yes over 3,000+ !!
And yes I'd have dropped nukes over Afghanistan and Iraq...
Drop flyer's from jets giving 72 hours notice so the "innocence" can leave, those remaining well it's their lives that will be nuked!
I'd have much rather it be them than the thousands of lives WE lost fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq!
And yes I'd have dropped nukes over Afghanistan and Iraq...
You would play directly into the hands of the radicals by doing so, forever driving a wedge between the US and any Middle East country.
The smallest reaction would be sanctions including a halt of oil shipments to the US.
The biggest reaction would be every nation of the world that doesn't have a nuclear deterrent seeking nukes at any cost and countries like North Korea and Pakistan would sell those nations nukes for humanitarian reasons.
The message you would send would be whoever doesn't have nukes is going to get nuked if they don't get them fast.
Do you really want to live in that world or are you just venting?
I think venting is good for the soul. Doesn't pay to keep all of that bottled up inside.
I think there are a lot of people who share Ann Barnhardt's frame of mind. But in reading the death threat against her I'd almost bet the person who wrote it is NOT a Muslim, but rather someone from the Southern states. I've never heard of a Muslim using the term "Ya'll". Nonetheless, she (Ms. Barnhardt) does sound like a person I wouldn't want to piss off.
In reality, that death threat sounds more like your run of the mill every day Troll jibberish. :)
LOL that's a possibility too, but we won't know until he pulls up in her driveway and gives her the chance to try out her new Barrett 50.
She definitely stands up for herself very well. I would have given them the really annoying neighbor's address on my street or my former landlord's place.
You would play directly into the hands of the radicals by doing so, forever driving a wedge between the US and any Middle East country.
And since we didn't do it-- are things any different?
How do you think they feel now towards the US?
I think they are glad we aren't evil scary bastards that would destroy the world. Kind of like I was when the Soviet Union and China decided not to deploy nuclear weapons on the United States.
Just to provide some countering context...
In the US Muslims are on the whole applauding the efforts of taking out Osama Bin Laden. In the Middle East it is much more varied. A lot of people don't even care. A small minority believe it is a great injustice and he shall be avenged. Others think it was a victory for peace. The minority view has a highway to our hearts however and that is why it is so easily picked up by western media. Peace as a message never gets the PR that death and destruction do.
#4 - Fri May 6, 2011 4:32 PM EDTWhere are the Muslim protests around the world declaring bin Laden does not represent their religion? All I see are Muslim's vowing revenge.
Jesus H Christ Elaine you are already on the Internet. Google is but a few keystrokes away, but I guess it is more convenient to ignore the facts right in front of your face and write up a NV article.
Im done doing the legwork for you. Why dont you take the necessary 5 minutes to Google these things yourself and you will see scores of articles, statements, and blogs from Muslims expressing relief that bin Laden is gone, from everyday Muslim-Americans to leaders of foriegn nations.
Sheesh.
#5 - Fri May 6, 2011 4:33 PM EDTThe photo speaks for itself
The photo merely confirms what we already knew: that there are extremists who liked bin Laden and thought of him as a hero. Of course al Queda is going to think of him as a hero! What it does NOT do is support your assertion that there is a lack of Muslim leaders expressing gratitiude that bin Laden in dead or that he is some sort of "Muslim Hero".
This seed is utterly ridiculous. It must be nice to operate in some sort of fantasy world where the only facts that exist are the ones that support our preconceived ideas about people.
1 photo vs 12 links...? Now you can grab as many links as you want and we can have a pissing contest... something I'd rather avoid.
Point being there is going to be a mixed bag of responses. It is contingent upon the individual not the religion. Just like terrorism is contingent upon the individual or group not a religion. This is not an issue that is contingent upon Islam but is contingent upon the people and their circumstances, plain and simple.
1 photo vs 12 links...? Now you can grab as many links as you want and we can have a pissing contest... something I'd rather avoid.
didn't you just start the pissing contest? But you want to avoid it??? Is it because there are many more examples of Muslim terrorism?
The photo speaks for itself.
Then are all Baptists @!$%#s or are the WBC just an island of @!$%#s?
Yes, those groups totally represent me and so many other moderates and liberals /sarc.
Amazing how extremists and haters have the same bigoted views...
JBourne -
If I had started the pissing contest I would have posted the article.
Also for every time someone puts up one side of the story the other side should be told. It's being fair and balanced.
Your assertion that there are more examples of Muslim terrorism than any other type is one that is not founded in fact. There are christian terrorists, nationalist terrorists, and just crazy terrorists. Terrorism is a tactic. Joseph Stack here in the US was a terrorist. Anyone who uses violence to reach a political goal is a terrorist by definition. Terrorism has been used since the dawn of mankind; we have simply changed the definition over time. The only reason we think muslims are the main perpetrators is because that is where we are internationally in the highest concentration... because of oil and natural resources. Throughout history terrorism has been used by christians muslims jews buddhists nations and people in general. Among all those groups on average if one could account for every terrorist attack throughout time they would be all within 1-5% of each other.
Google is a wonderful thing. Google "muslim terrorist attacks" and I come across a list detailing 280 Muslim terrorists attacks for the last two months alone. Here's the link to the list:
#Attacks
Obviuosly, we could use Google to find individual links for each of the attacks. So, by my count, I have 280 examples of Muslim terrorism to your 12 examples of Muslims condemning UBL's actions.
Next...
#6 - Fri May 6, 2011 5:44 PM EDTNewsvine is being buggy...Here's the link again...
Hope this works...
You can find it on religionofpeace.com website. (I still can't seem to post links.)
#Attacks
Man...I thought Christians were the violent ones. (Note ridiculous amounts of sarcasm.)
It's amazing how quickly we forget our own history... How about McVeigh or Kazinsky or how about the IRA. How about all of the abortion doctors that have been killed in the name of Christ. There are just as many christians in the world who are crazy as there are muslims. There are some even in our backyards... don't believe me... watch Jesus Camp
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486358/
It's all too easy to stereotype and objectify one large group of people because some of them are crazy. Look at Pat Robertson calling for the assassination of world leaders and claiming Haiti made a pact with the devil etc etc and that's why they had that massive earthquake. Religion is manipulated for power, that is all this is, and to claim anything else is false and/or disingenuous.
They want you dead as much as me, as much as any black or white man, Christian, Jew, agnostic, or atheist. They don't care, you are not one of them, so you would be a goner just as much as I would.
No honestly they want us out of the Middle East, they are doing horrible stuff like bombing buildings and killing innocents, because they have a snowballs chance in hell at actually facing our military power on field, heck who could? Maybe we should pull out of the middle east and bring our boys home finally to protect a novelty, our very own soil........who would of thunk it.......
#8 - Fri May 6, 2011 7:43 PM EDTAh...killing innocents...I smell a Hey Hey LBJ coming on...oh the dreaded 60's. LOL
Great seed Elaine.....Very eye opening. I've learned recently that, many on the left will defend Jihad as a principle of 'free speach'. Wow, somewhere along the way from the 60's, they forgot to reform their thinking. Times have changed, and the freedoms we all enjoyed then, have morphed into blind protectionism. Interesting, the modern day far leftist is stuck in there past, just as the Medieval Religious Code called Islam, is stuck in the 12th century.
In my opinion, Bin Laden is a hero to many Muslims. Many may not admit it publicly, but I think there is a hard wired affection for him, considering they are seriously lacking in positive global leadership.
#9 - Sat May 7, 2011 10:42 AM EDTIt seems nobody is really addressing the writers question.
"So which is it? Islamic extremists are Muslims, or they aren't?"
Of course it's both, they are Muslim's, only bad ones. Just because they are extremists does not imply that they are not part of their religion. Just as extrem christians are part of their faith, again bad ones. I do though agree it would be great if Muslim leaders here especially, and abroad could take a more strong visible stand on the message against extremism. I suggest a large support rally in DC to show their support. It would send a great signal to the rest of America and the Muslim world, and I bet the two could move closer and show unity. Political correctness can be counter productive for progress.
#10 - Sun May 8, 2011 11:35 AM EDTBin Laden is a hero to many as he drew attention to the plight of Palestinians whose land continues to be stolen by illegal Israeli settlements. Only the US has failed to support the U.N. declaration that these settlements are illegal.
And we wonder why Muslims hate America. IT IS BECAUSE OF OUR SUPPORT OF ISRAEL.
Get it yet???????
You should probably brush up on your history of the Middle East before sharing your anti-Israel propaganda. It's easy to look up There's one with pictures:
How many plights can we take on at once? America is broke and our country's in trouble. What about the plight of Americans?
Israel is the closest government to ours. The radical islamic extremists, poised and ready for takeover as the ME is in constant chaos these days, are the ones who want to kill all Jews and eveyone in the US, or at least anyone who doesn't follow their religion!
PatFitzgeraldstein
Anti-semite, eh?
That's what most anti-Semites believe, as well as the radical extremists, here and in the ME, except you want them to come out and play, and they want us all dead.
I'm not jewish, but my spouse is and we embrace both judeo-christian values and holidays and traditions. And we're right proud of that!
The leftists who cry 'hater' and 'racist' and 'bigot' if someone so much as laughs at the size of a Rosie O'Donnell or Oprah Winfrey, are using Stein as if it's a dirty word.
What kind of liberal are you pretending to be? I thought you had compassion for all races and religions? My mistake.
Name the countries that condemn Israel, willya?
The UN? Well, now I believe it...yeah right!
Actually I think it's their laws that tell the extremists who to hate and want to kill, anyone who is not one of them.
What is says about the US is that we know our history and who that land belongs to...given to them many, many, many years ago by you-know-who!
You didn't answer my question: What kind of liberal are you, that you would speak the way you do about other people? I thought that wasn't in the leftists' playbook?
Your ignorance was already showing, mask or no. It works for me, and apparently pretending to be a loving compassion liberal worked for you...until now.
Still waiting for the answer: What kind of liberal are you pretending to be?
Sorry about that Elaine, I shouldn't have responded to her the first time.
#12 - Sun May 8, 2011 7:21 PM EDTShe's this kind of liberal:
Israel has hijacked American foreign policy.
Israel continues its illegal settlements only because it has the tacit support of America.
We deserved 911 and we deserve everything that al qaeda will do in the future unless we condemn Israel's ongoing unrelenting theft of arab land and make them give it all back.
Post #3
http://norsam123.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/08/6608444-a-jewish-groups-shameful-smear-anti-defamation-league-list-targets-human-rights-groups-by-michelle-goldberg
#13 - Sun May 8, 2011 7:36 PM EDTNot a liberal, more of a (******censored by COH*******) and that's all I have to say about that.
NavyDoc, I guess I should have looked before I leapt and walked right into that one and responded to the anti-Israel rant.
#14 - Sun May 8, 2011 7:41 PM EDTCall me a Pollyanna, but I think many will rethink their position when confronted with the videos of Bin Ladin's last years. While he was exhorting others to sacrifice their children, he was living in a very comfortable house. All the while eating well, plus a never ending supply of Coke and Pepsi. Hopefully our government will keep that information available 24/7.
#15 - Sun May 8, 2011 7:53 PM EDT...shows he was nothing more than a coward and liar.
Exactly.
And now, thankfully, dead.
And that too.
Wow...ol Katey is one unhappy troll. It's best she is out a here....again. lol
#17 - Mon May 9, 2011 4:40 PM EDTThanks for the article, voted up. Muslims are often quiet and peaceful peoples, those who are not raging with these things happening now. May think other way than those in the photo, but decide not to mention it by that way.
#18 - Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:59 PM EDTTell the people who made the banner in the photo that we changed his name to Usama bin Laden so Americans would stop mispronouncing our dear leader's name as Osama and President Osama. LOL
#19 - Fri Oct 7, 2011 1:40 PM EDTMore Muslim hate Bin Hidden than like him. Can you find some group that think good of Been Hidden yea but you also kind find people who find Hitler a great man.
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