OBAMA IS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION!!

Lkessler and Elaine ... Old-time slapstick comedy is famous for pie-in-face. I don't think that Mr. Obama yet realizes that the "joke" he pulled on Americans is about to backfire on him. The USA was fooled for just a brief moment in time, but we will recover and become stronger BECAUSE of his subterfuge and bold-faced lies.

He is the one who didn't understand the power of Americans' core beliefs in our republic. I almost feel sorry for this child -- liar, hides proof of schooling and US citizenship. But, I guess he's happy being a wannabe NBA basketball player and reality show personality.

NJ Person wrote:

Lkessler and Elaine ... Old-time slapstick comedy is famous for pie-in-face. I don't think that Mr. Obama yet realizes that the "joke" he pulled on Americans is about to backfire on him.

Who exactly is going to beat Obama?

None of the current lineup of Republican hopefuls has a chance of winning a general election.

Let me try an Obama apologist response:

You obviously don't understand Obama. He didn't mean to imply that he was going to do these things. He meant that these are things he'd like to do. Things just didn't work out.

"I'm sorry" will not cut it. Well maybe they can get 4 more years of blaming Bush for other things, do you think thats their plan another 4 yrs of pointing the finger?

This is all about Obama...he truly thinks everybody thinks he is as great as HE thinks he is...narcissistic and delusional!

Do you have a list of his accomplishments? I mean, what he promissed and did?

Thanks. I knew some but wasn't sure about others. I like your last sentence, running and being pres are two different things. I think that's true for most who move to a higher management position. They become privy to info they were not allowed until they took the position.

btw, you can call me Mule. It's easier to type. :-)

I could not imagine being pres. all those lies to keep up with and being a puppet, and doing alot without getting anything done. It would drive me nuts =\

I think what I would do first is get rid of people. Too many hands inthe cookie pot.

Who exactly is going to beat Obama?

At this point in time Daffy Duck could beat Obama. American Citizens have had enough of his elitist globalist bull@!$%#.

Allen West would ANHILIATE Obama in a presidential race.

ALLEN WEST IN 2012!!

Allen West notwithstanding, current polling averages from RCP have Obama beating any of the Republican frontrunners by between 4.7 and 17 points.

It's probably too late in the primary campaign cycle for an unknown to successfully challenge the established frontrunners, who've already got their war chests lined up.

In order for an unknown like West to enter the competition, he'd have to come up with a whole lot of financial backing very quickly. That's really unlikely considering that this campaign is likely going to get close to the $1 billion per candidate mark, and large backers tend to shy away from unknowns and underdogs.

Allen West is not listed in your link Dennis and probably won't run although he should because he'd beat Obama, of this I have no doubt. In your link though, it's interesting that in the graph marked Republicans v. Obama, that GALLUP, whom I would consider the most reliable of those listed, has it as a tie.

As for Allen West being an unknown, I'm not to certain he's all that unknown anymore, he's shaking things up pretty well so far.

I don't weither, I think the Americn Citizens have wised up to that one.

Dennis (2.3) -- "Who exactly is going to beat Obama? None of the current lineup of Republican hopefuls has a chance of winning a general election."

Gee, where can I buy a Ouija Board or crystal ball like the one you have?

I'd like Chris Christie to run, but he still says no. He's had a positive effect in reining in spending, astronomical school superintendents' salaries and perks, and corruption in NJ. The majority of people like him. (here come the "fat jokes")

Elaine - I forgot to mention that our union leaders, especially the execs of the NJEA, are scathingly vocal about him. Imagine this .... he actually has the audacity to expect that teachers should be part of the accountability equation for students' progress and learning!

While I don't agree 100% with what he recommends on this topic, he makes very valid points. We shouldn't continue to pour millions into the school systems of Newark, Paterson, Passaic, Trenton, and Camden when healthy, non-disabled high school seniors somehow graduate but can only read at a 3rd grade level. These students also get multiple chances to pass watered-down versions of our HSPA.

Christie is a strong leader, unlike, well ......

ALLEN WEST IN 2012!

"Allen West notwithstanding, current polling averages from RCP have Obama beating any of the Republican frontrunners by between 4.7 and 17 points."

There's a long time to go between today and election day, November 2012. Obama's honeymoon is over, no matter what "current polling averages" say.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

Wanna Grow Up -- The economy is up and running again thanks to Obama? I'm sure that the millions of Americans who are still unemployed would love to know about this. Make sure you tell them about gasoline prices, the housing market, and grocery store prices, too, OK?

Yes .... please do "grow up."

The unemployment numbers started improving right after the mid-terms as Americans viewed a fiscal conservative Republican resurgence as a check and balance to liberal spending and job killing policy.
Now lets keep those same Republicans feet to the fire and make them not backtrack on THEIR word.

Tea Party Patriots!

Oh my goodness the economy is NOT up and running! More houses are in forclosure, more people are losing jobs and looking, maybe there are more on the system do you think thats what has increased the economy, all those food stamp cards? NJ food is outrageous, gas will be up I think to 5 dollars by summer and more people will lose their homes due to the banks NOT using the stim money like they were suppose to. It is not better from where I am standing.

14 trillion in debt (5 under Nancy P and 3+ under Obama) and you are all excited as a kid in candy store with Mom and dad's credit card...helllooo, we are spending money we don't have and the credit card is MAXED out!

give it time, mighty j and look at all the people running. Frankly, if the choice was Queen Latifah or Obama, I would vote for Latifah, just because this guy doesn't need another 4 years to completely take us to serfdom!...

There's always Scott Walker and Rick Scott. It was exactly that thinking that voted in the 2010 buffoons. Maybe you'll vote for someone who will dispose of fishermen entirely. Bet that'd show him.

And yet broke every one of them! He can talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. He is the Howdy Doody president! Somebody else is pulling the strings.

And yet broke every one of them!

He alone can't decide all of those things, that is one big reason why all of hes promises are not true today. I also voted the article up.

It's also why even the extreme left is mad at him right now. He's going to have to work really hard to get the same backers he got the first time around.

That's why he needs a billion dollars, buys more votes.

I heard Google and Goldman Sachs plunked down billions for a project of Al Sharpton's.

Must be nice to be rich and not hated by the liberals...how's that work again?

Yes he will need more money this time around for the votes. It became apparent when the CodePink ladies tried to hit Pelosi in the head with objects, shouting, "When will we get what YOU promised us?"

And Obama isn't the biggest imbecile in DC right now?

I have pretty much concluded Obama is inept, inexperienced (even though he had been in office over 2 years now), and incapable of leading this country for another 4 years. Elmer Fudd for Prez....oh wait, uh...never mind.

Vol you WIN that is one of the best comment today!

Vol....Elmer fudd would be a better president then the two people you voted for in the last presidential election.

Funny you mention Elmer Fudd...when Obama finishes in the White House November 2012...we can say:

“ba-deep ba-deep ba-deep that's all folks”.

All the Reps candidates are Birthers.

LMFGCO....Proof?

All any candidate needs to do is like Reagan did...Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago? Is the country as a whole better off than it was 4 years ago? The answers is NO...nearly 70% of Americans say we are on the wrong track according to Gallup and other polls.

It's only been 2 years, vol, unless you want to blame Bush. All Republican candidates are not birthers but I don't doubt that there are a few. I would guess that there were more birthers in congress originally than will be voted in.

true...they need to wait until next year to start saying that :)

Oh, No, Trump is a Birther!

Mule: re 8.4: *LOL!*

Trump 2012 LOL

You're fired America.

I know this may sound stupid, what the hell is a Birther? It seems like the political labels keep growing in quantity daily!

I just gave birth and named it Mohammed just before I flushed it! Good thing I had some Shiite paper!

Sorry couldn't resist!

Birther = one obsessed with the idea Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii, in spite of factual evidence

story- In my link above Black says, "Donald Trump has just come out as a birther which in the Republican party means...I'm running for president."

Thanks storyartist. I guess the Donald has picked up that flag. Go figure!

mighty----sorry, I lost your train of thought, what did you mean?

Nothing major, but I guess Trump has launched an investigation as to whether or not Obama was born in the US. Part of his testing the waters to see if he should run for President. God I hope not.

Trump said he's not sure Obama was born in Hawaii. I'll have to find the quote.

Donald Trump learned the hard way this week that if you're going to call on the president to release his official birth certificate, you'd better do the same.
Trump, who has been putting pressure on Obama lately to make public his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii, decided to set a good example and release his own on Monday. Only problem was, the document that Trump provided to the conservative Website Newsmax wasn't his actual birth certificate, but rather a "hospital certificate of birth."
On Tuesday, Trump, who is contemplating a presidential run in 2012, sought to correct the oversight, providing a copy of his official birth certificate issued by the New York City Department of Health to ABC News.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/03/donald-trump-releases-official-birth-certificate.html

storyartist. Thank you, that saved a lot of confusion! During an interview with his grandmother a few years back she mentioned that he was born somewhere in Africa where she lives, she said she was there when he was born. This may be just a rumor but when you think about it the CIA and the FBI are quite adept at making false documents. Illegal immigrants get them all the time! And you can pay false witnesses to say anything, such as he was born in Hawaii. And have fake birth records implanted in the hospital's files. Not hard to do at all. I'm not saying any of this happened, but it is not impossible!

story- My comment was a quote,

It is kind of a joke about how it seams like when a republican comes out as a birther it is the same as announcing that they are thinking about running for president.

Terry, the story with the grandmother was done through a very poor interpretator. Remember that he and his father both had the same name. I could find the story but I'm too tired. Obama was born in Hawaii. End of story.

Terry----When I was a young adult I lived in the French Quarter, and I always credit that with honing certain skills. Like spotting when someone is trying to hustle me with a gimmick. I also noticed how easily some tourists suckered up to the conversation, and it was always what they paid attention to, not what was actually said.

In this case, we could go back-and-forth for the trillionth time on the internet about yes-he-was-no-he-wasn't. It's useless. The first observation I have is -- why would a person be so eager to believe the testimony of an unreliable source against a mountain of reliable documents?

In the French Quarter the sailors were eager to believe that strippers were innocent, sweet girls and the drinks were inexpensive. It was easy to see why they would be eager to be sucked in against reliable data -- such as, inexpensive is an arbitrary term -- when the motive was, ahem, pretty girls.

So why would one be so eager to believe the barker when it comes to Obama's birth records and upbringing? I believe Bush's records from Texas and Yale Univ, and his associations with Saudi royalty -- way more suspicious than anything Obama could even touch. But to keep the eye on the ball -- it isn't about their difference -- it's about that eagerness. That's what the hustler feeds on. And it's what you pass along when you take up with the hustlers.

(SWMM----Is that what you meant the other day -- not like everybody else -- ha! I just thought about that during edit mode!)

Ok now I have a question..If the demos keep calling people birthers what do you call the demos who start to question a repubs place of birth. Now why can they play this name game and not expect they same?

storyartist. You're reading way too much into what I say. I'm just repeating what I have heard and I also simply stated that as well. Let me make it a little easier to understand, do you understand what the words "possible scenario" mean? In my last posting I wrote it as a possible scenario of what could have happened because it cannot really be ruled out if it is actually possible. When you hear little snippets on the news, sometimes people actually remember those. They are quickly glossed over and never mentioned again. Kind of like the Roswell incident, only it happens much quicker today.

Terry, I guess you believe he's a Muslim too. There are most likely conspiracies in our governments past but these two are not one of them. Why are you giving storyartist such a hard time?

No, Terry, I'm not reading too much into what you write. In fact, I'm finding no substance at all to grab onto. You seem to be bragging that you have no point, only repeating "snipets" you've heard from infotainment sources. And turning your "snipets" into "possible scenarios" to rule in or out.

Let me make it a little easier to understand, do you understand what the words "possible scenario" mean?

Let me make it easier to understand, do you understand what "gossip" means? Your birth record story is previously-debunked gossip. And now that you've made it clear that gossip-perpetuating is your goal, we're clear.

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edit mode: thanks bobby, but that happens all the time when you point out what's behind the credentials, and I do that. But I'll leave the gossips alone to play here ...

This snippet I mentioned was from a firsthand source. I can only mention it because I was not there. I don't spread gossip, especially if it may be true. As I said before, there is a possibility it is true. Here's something else you might be interested in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&NR=1

He himself has spent a lot of years of his youth in Muslim countries, I put two and two together. He admits to growing up in the Mideast. So what is so impossible about him being born there? I'm not trying to give you a hard time I am just trying to plant the seed of possibilities.

Sometimes when I make a comment I overlook certain tidbits of information that I have stuck in my head that make things more relevant thus getting omitted. I suffered a little short term memory loss from oxygen deprivation when I died 10 months ago. Using a computer as an analogy to how my brain works, I have a mega terabyte hard drive but only a 64 KB ram. Sometimes other little tidbits that are relevant and important don't come into my forethought until later. Or are just overlooked completely at the time when I need them.

Terry -- you're excused. The conversation is over. Not interested in your seeds or snipets or sources. Good luck with your scenarios.

He grew up in Indonesia, that's not the Middle East.

Thank you Elaine! I rest my case! So my scenario turned out accurate!

storyartist

As I said before, I wouldn't post anything unless I knew there was some truth behind it. Or at least that's what I tried to say.

Therein lies the controversy! If he was actually born in a foreign country, that disqualifies him from the presidency. Of course it doesn't change who he is as a person. It just changes his qualifications to run for office, he was never eligible to begin with.

Don't you think if he was never eligible for the office to start with, Hillary and her machine would have pounced on and picked him apart during their infamous primary campaign? I'm inclined to believe the original birth certificate has been lost. Two news papers in Hawaii announced his birth the following day, news papers get their info from the hospital or city where the birth occurred.

Hillary was losing in the polls, so she latched onto the Obama bandwagon.

Hawaii announced his birth the following day, news papers get their info from the hospital or city where the birth occurred.

That's funny, what made his birth so special that it made the newspapers? They didn't do that when I was born! Unless you're talking about someone saying they found his birth certificates. They could have been planted if they even existed at all. To me it all sounds very suspicious. If he would have had his birth certificates in the first place none of this controversy would have occurred. I still have my original copy. I tend to believe his grandmother was honest in saying that he was born in Kenya. All that aside, his sending our military into battle was a direct violation of presidential powers. An impeachable offense! Although I feel sorry for the Libyans, we should have let the coalition take care of business without us. We're stretched too thin as it is.

There were some congressmen and senators talking about impeachment but it got squelched, and you hardly hear anything about it anymore! Who is making everybody go silent? Am I the only one who sees what's going on?

I'm not that much into conspiracies but something smells rotten in Denmark!

Are you saying you're a Birther?

I should have said listed and not announced. Newspapers use to and still do record birth's, deaths, marriages etc. Do some research you'll find I'm right. His birth was listed the day after it happened. I'm sure the Donald(Trump) will come up with the actual listing, so we'll have to wait till then to find out which papers were involved.

Terry----Once again, there's that eagerness to be fooled. Honestly, look at your reasoning like it's in an essay you submitted to an English professor, or in law school.

• On one side is the evidence and thick bibliography from sources such as the CIA, a multitude of government agencies responsible for *vetting* all high-ranking political leaders, Secret Service, who have access to all records. The birth announcement from Hawaii.
• On the other side is gossip and opinion from unqualified sources.

#8.26 Thank you Elaine! I rest my case! So my scenario turned out accurate! ..... As I said before, I wouldn't post anything unless I knew there was some truth behind it.

Just how do you list this on your bibliography for the professor? Elaine's co-worker's opinion -- alphabetized under "s" for second-hand, "g" for gossip, "n" for I-know-it's-true-because-I-read-it-in-the-National-Enquirer?

That's funny, what made his birth so special that it made the newspapers? They didn't do that when I was born!

Now that is either deliberately disingenuous or you yourself were not born in the USA. All USA records are published, deaths, marriages, births, take a look at a few papers at random:

NewspaperARCHIVE.com, the largest historical newspaper database online, contains tens of millions of newspaper pages from 1759 to present. Every newspaper in the archive is fully searchable by keyword and date, making it easy for you to quickly find the birth or marriage news

http://www.newspaperarchive.com/Births-Marriages/

So in this argument you're presenting, all you have proved is your eagerness to jump on hearsay and throw out what's been proven, repeatedly. Your professor will require a do-over.

I'm not going to speculate on what reasons -- and there are many (racism, conservative ideology, elite education resentment, childish prankishness, et.al.) -- but whatever reasons they belong personally to the deniers. We're all entitled to opinions. But as the man said -- NOT entitled to use them as facts, in circumstances where facts are used.

I hear whining on NV all the time:

You people just don't want to hear opinions except your own

but that's delusion on your part. You're entitled to opinions. You're not entitled to make up facts without proving them. An opinion would be whether he made a good decision. A fact would be what school he attended. Opinion -- fact. Without a basic understanding of that difference, as a Newsvine commenter, your posts hold little credibility for anything more than gossip.

Terry is putting sales tax and aardvark together and coming up with ear wax. Must have been a long nap. All that nonsense was debunked while you were dazing, Terry.

Obama's original birth certificate is in Hawaii. I have a short birth certificate that says Birth Certification. It was registered 25 days after Iwas born. I have a Certificate of Birth from the hospital that doesn't mean a damn thing.

I have a Kenyan Bith Certificate from one of McSpocky's seeds that had a Kenyan Birth Certificate Printer.

A good laugh is all the birther thing is good for. It's not real criticism because there is no evidence available to prove the claims of birth in another country. Whatever doubts one may have as to the veracity of documents presented, once vetted a sitting president is not going to be un-seated by anything short of proof of foreign birth.

Since the burden of proof is on the birthers and they have such thin evidence, I feel like I have already given the issue too much time.

Our president has a lot of faults that are worthy of discussion.

The one that concerns me the most is that his policy so closely resembles the president we just got rid of.

jj, Obama doesn't look anything like Bush.

I was talking about the people standing behind him. (:

A good laugh is all the birther thing is good for. It's not real criticism because there is no evidence available to prove the claims of birth in another country.

Nor is there any proof of his birth in this country. Go figure!

Whatever doubts one may have as to the veracity of documents presented, once vetted a sitting president is not going to be un-seated by anything short of proof of foreign birth

You're forgetting impeachment for violating the constitution. Which he violated. And the president can be removed! That's why we have a vice president!

If he had all of his proper documents, nobody would be in doubt as to his citizenship. I have not seen any documentation, nor any links from you guys proving the possibility wrong.

By calling people birthers is just another political rhetoric label to throw on people who don't agree with you. Good luck with that. I made my point but you have not shown any firm proof of his legality. All talk no action.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

source.... http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

...What Liddy was referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae, who conducted an interview with Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama's grandfather, through a translator. (Sarah Obama is not the president's biological grandmother, but he calls her "Granny Sarah.")

In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson's birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for download here.)

No matter, though, because people who believe in a conspiracy theory simply hear what they want to hear. So some Birther sites have posted transcripts and YouTube clips that end abruptly with the mistranslation and don't include the corrections.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%2520Newsletter%2520%2528Not%2520Premium%2529_7_30_110

There is a link to the actual audio of the step-grandmother. The one in which this pseudo preacher states over-and-over that he wants to come see the birthplace in Kenya, and when the translation breaks down, she corrects what she's trying to say through the translator that he was born in Hawaii where his father was learning, but even then the interviewer kept insisting he was born in Kenya. The grandmother was being badgered and yet was able to clearly make her statement.

There was an eagerness by this interviewer to mis-represent the statement of this woman. As there is an eagerness by those who pass the distorted edited version as proof in a gossip fashion on Newsvine. The thing is -- even though she clearly and distinctly attests to his birthplace as Hawaii, no offense, but her recollections do not hold the credibility either way that the Hawaiian newspaper and hospital documentation offer, along with governor and all federal verifications.

There is also a clip of G. Gordon Liddy making a flimsy case for the gossip version, for anyone who might be interested in that, and the evidence against his claim.

The discrepancy does not lie with the evidence. The discrepancy lies with this eagerness to falsify his citizenship, and masks (or makes a weak attempt to) a motive that lies with the perpetuators of the controversy.

From your link:

Source: WorldNetDaily

Unreliable gossip rag.

true analysis

...doesn't include disreputable sources.

Critically Analyzing Information Sources

INTRODUCTION

You can begin evaluating a physical information source (a book or an article for instance) even before you have the physical item in hand. Appraise a source by first examining the bibliographic citation. The bibliographic citation is the written description of a book, journal article, essay, or some other published material that appears in a catalog or index. Bibliographic citations characteristically have three main components: author, title, and publication information. These components can help you determine the usefulness of this source for your paper. (In the same way, you can appraise a Web site by examining the home page carefully.)

I. INITIAL APPRAISAL

A. Author

1. What are the author's credentials--institutional affiliation (where he or she works), educational background, past writings, or experience? Is the book or article written on a topic in the author's area of expertise? You can use the various Who's Who publications for the U.S. and other countries and for specific subjects and the biographical information located in the publication itself to help determine the author's affiliation and credentials.
2. Has your instructor mentioned this author? Have you seen the author's name cited in other sources or bibliographies? Respected authors are cited frequently by other scholars. For this reason, always note those names that appear in many different sources.
3. Is the author associated with a reputable institution or organization? What are the basic values or goals of the organization or institution?

http://olinuris.library.cornell.edu/ref/research/skill26.htm

...for starters ....

I think I've made myself very clear.

No, I'm not interested in gossip. Sources such as WorldNet are gossip. I appear to have stumbled into a gossip nest on this thread. So get on back to scenarios and speculations and make-believe news. Your eagerness wins.

story- I thought your link for vetting sources was kind of handy. I never studied journalism and have sometimes wondered why nobody takes anything I write very seriously even when I am breaking news that will not be in the mainstream for months.

Terry- All I said was you aren't going to unseat a sitting president with a bunch of doubts about his place of birth. Strong evidence is needed to get an impeachment preceeding started so unless Monica has another dress she hasn't told us about I think the whole thing is kind of moot.

As far as whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not I can't pretend to be remotely interested in finding the evidence one way or another because.....

I will not vote for him regardless of place of birth. I think his policy of corporatization, privatization, and globalization is not in the best interest of the people of the United States. The wealthy foundations and trusts that president Obama is subordinate to would change our nation to suit themselves in a manner that fails to recognize who we are or where we come from.

more news from the credibility standards for WorldNet Daily

http://www.salon.com/print.html?URL=/politics/war_room/2011/04/11/joseph_farah_wnd_misinformation

Interesting how? That a major, credible news source such as Salon, reporting an email exchange of the reporter's OWN written conversation, not true? That WND admits in said email that their publication prints stories which are not true!

Sort of like the drunk husband, "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" On one side is a proven news source for honesty in journalism -- on the other side a proven AND ADMITTED falsifier of information -- and then here's people jumping like eager little puppies to believe the liars. PT Barnum built himself into a legend promoting "there's a sucker born every minute."

Another:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201104120013?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4da599a81b87fb3f,0

That a major, credible news source such as Salon

Bwahahahaha......................

mightyj. There already is grounds for impeachment for circumventing congressional authority. I don't think we'll need Monica Lewinsky this time.

I absolutely agree with your opinion on Obamas agenda. I seriously doubt he will be reelected because anyone with a brain can see that he is bad for the country on so many levels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&NR=1

I don't know if you've seen this little tidbit yet. Sounds like he's doing a little sucking up to the enemy to me.

we are heading for a disaester.

Yeah, ain't it great! I'd really prefer that he use a stronger wrecking ball, but his philosophy is set on compromise. I'd be OK with a little more revenge -- a little more payback, but I'll settle for the plutocrats paying their accumulated debt off, regulations reinstated so they can't run off track again, and revise our jobs economy to the reality that all those outsourced jobs won't ever come back, so we need new start-ups.

I want those multi-billion S-corp's off the small business tax rates. It shouldn't be how much the shareholder gets but how much the corp makes overall.

And a Snickers bar.

I want the foundations and trusts of the wealthy out of my government and they can take their puppets with them.

I could go for one of those snickers bars too...I really like the one that is an ice cream bar. (:

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......Sniiiiickeeerrrs!...........OooooLLLLLL....(drooling).

We should also stop sending billions of dollars in foreign aid to the very countries that are cleaning out our wallets at the gas pump! If they can't survive off the hundreds of billions of dollars in oil revenue then there is something really wrong and we shouldn't have to pay for it.

to the very countries that are cleaning out our wallets

Those "countries" are right here:

• ExxonMobile Corp., 5959 Las Colinas Blvd, Irving, TX, 75039-4202
• Shell Oil Worldwide, Carel van Bylandtlaan 16, 2596 HR The Hague, The Netherlands
• Shell Oil USA, One Shell Plaza, 910. Louisiana Room 2740. Houston. Texas 77002
• BP, International Headquarters, 1 St James's Square, London, SW1Y 4PD
• ConocoPhillips (Union 76), 600 North Dairy Ashford, P.O. Box 2197, Houston, TX 77252-2197

OK let me rephrase that a little bit. We should stop sending billions of dollars in aid to those countries that sell us their oil! Their double dipping! The only way we can punish the oil companies is to buy electric cars. Drive less, carpool. If everybody in this country did that for one week the oil companies would have to lower the price of gasoline. We the people can do it! I drive my car maybe once a month. I use my motorcycle whenever possible.

Terry there are millions of homes that heat with oil. There are even schools and public buildings that heat with oil. Ground loop heat pumping systems for all of those would put a big dent in the amount of oil being burned.

Stop driving 2-3 blocks for a pack of smokes or fast food or a lottery ticket. Use that shoe leather. Shut off the TV when you aren't watching it. Move closer to work. Sell that SUV that you've never carried more than groceries through the back door. Buy a fuel effecient car. We have to stop using so damn much gas and oil and enery if we want to get away from the oil companies.

they can take their puppets with them

Funny you should mention puppets. We're giving Pakistan 20 million dollars so they can have Sesame Street. Rumor has it Elmo is tickled.

mightyj

Terry there are millions of homes that heat with oil. There are even schools and public buildings that heat with oil. Ground loop heat pumping systems for all of those would put a big dent in the amount of oil being burned.

You're absolutely right! In California we use natural gas instead of heating oil. Natural gas comes from this country not the Middle East. Why can't they use natural gas on the East Coast?............................. Antiquated infrastructure?................

No pipes for natural gas in many locations in New England. They are working on it and a lot of folks will be better off when they get them. JJ

That is very good to hear! I understand it is very difficult trying to install underground piping in the winter because of the permafrost, perhaps that's the reason they decided to use oil heaters instead of natural gas at the time.

Terry- That is why they chose oil. The price of oil was reasonable back then too. The free market does solve some issues when it is allowed to operate without subsidy and BS.

Yeah, General Betray Us was a doozie!

Obama followed Pelosi' advice:

We have to be the POTUS, before we find out how to do the job! 2 years in and he still hasn't got a clue!

He hung out with his racist buddy Sharpton yesterday

I'm not keen on calling people racist but that guy has such a warped chip on his shoulder he wouldn't know reality if it bit him in the face.

Anyone know how much it cost us in philadelphia and new york yesterday? Seems everytime he leaves the dc it cost taxpayers some big bucks. Look at the recent trip overseas.

how much it cost us in philadelphia

You are so right. Just like Michelle's misguided fight on fat in Philly. Plunking down 600 million dollars for salad bars in the middle of the worst crime-ridden areas in Philly.

The money would be better spent on bullet-proof vests so the kids can walk to the store to buy veggies in these neighborhoods without becoming the victim of a drive-by.

Obama's fake concern for the minorities is sickening.

elaine may call this off topic but here goes anyway.

Just like Michelle's misguided fight on fat in Philly.

When michelle starting butting in about portions served in restaurants it totally peed me off. Guess she has never heard of a doggy bag and some people get 2 meals out of that one. Some people could not justify eating at a restaurant these days if it were not for the fact they can make 2 meals out of one.

It's not off topic at all. This post is about Obama running for re-election. This misappropriation of our tax dollars has everything to do with that.

You guys are in the pile of lies that were all misproven long ago. But keep telling yourselves all that was true. Other conservatives know it's BS so you are only showing how close to the bottom you are.