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I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to play....I don't really want to either. I just posted this in honor of Chris in VA. Miss you buddy.....I hope the Skins win!!
he got banned because he had 2 accounts on the vine, one for him and one for his wife
he got banned because he had 2 accounts on the vine, one for him and one for his wife
I sincerely want to know the details behind that one. Rebecca and I each have an account. We didn't get banned when she was living at home.
And this has happened once before that I know of. Newsvine had to swallow their mistake and reinstate the couple.
Pat...did you get the email I sent you this morning through 'contact author'?
I though couples could each have their own account as long as they both had separate email accts. At least that is what they told dowser. My head hurts.
that was what I thought as well but I guess they told us wrong as that is why they banned Chris and why they will ban me if I let the wife join up like she wants
Know what I'd like to see? I'd like to see a definitive article...from Newsvine...detailing just exactly what they base their decisions on for multiple account usage. What do they look at? What factors go in to it? What is their S.O.P. for verification of what's being claimed over what they suspect? Of course, I'm assuming there even is a standard operating procedure.
A protocol was layed out for this exact situation over a year ago. It was put in writing, by Tyler. I want to know if it was followed in Chris's case or not.
Here's the post where he banned the wife and suspended the husband. It's pretty viscious...and harsh:
RightBlackVoice...you're The Capitalist. Which is messed up, because I quite like the way The Cap posts other than that CoH-violation 'all liberals are idiots' article from a while back.
Evidence:
92% of your posts and votes have been on TheCap's column.
You post from the exact same static IP's as he/she does. Different ones. Nail in the coffin.
Not to mention TC didn't refer you - rookie mistake; your posting styles are extreeemely similar; same email carrier from same metro area, etc., etc.
It's a shame that you're not who you say you are, because I'd be happy to see a 'right black woman' on Newsvine. But we'll have to wait for one that isn't another user.
RightBlackVoice banned, The Capitalist suspended for a week, untrusted for a month. Don't multiple again or rereg to post while you're suspended.
And here's the post where he reinstated them:
When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Not to mention sorry.
RBV isn't The Capitalist.
I apologize to RightBlackVoice and The Capitalist, who shouldn't have been banned in the first place and should have been re-enabled sooner.
Obviously, I thought I was justified in what I posted/did earlier, but I wasn't. RBV and TheCapitalist are using the same computers, but they've provided more than sufficient evidence that they're two different people.
Clearly, I need to rethink my multiple account protocol - there isn't much precedent in my tenure, but from now on, when I suspect active contributors [not spammers] of being the same user, I'll have to contact them and hash it out before I take disciplinary action.
While I can't give you two the time you missed on the Vine back, you can expect an article next week assessing what happened - and why I'll try my best to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I don't understand why Chris in VA isn't already reinstated. He explained that his wife is on the Vine too and they use the same computer. I just don't understand.
I don't remember exactly where it was in that huge 'fix newsvine' thread, but Viki mentioned that Tyler is out of town until Monday. That could be the 'why' on the delay.
Just out of curiousity, do you know the screen name his wife was using? Or were they both using the same one?
Hey Pat, no, I didn't ask Chris what his wife's screen name is. My impression is it's the same email and computer, two different Vine names. The same email could be the problem, but it's still an innocent mistake. My brother and sister in law use the same email....(they aren't on the Vine). I'm just saying they use the same email.
I'm hoping that on Monday, NV staff will have had a meeting about banning Chris in VA and dkaz and reinstate them both. In Chris' case, it's an honest mistake if it's a mistake at all. And in dkaz, it's NV's mistake in my opinion since they gave her the second screen name. They could delete the second account, reinstate the first and write an article explaining.
However, I've seen several people comment somewhere on the Vine today....probably the meta fix it article....that dkaz already received a final email from Tyler about his decision.
Hey Pat, no, I didn't ask Chris what his wife's screen name is. My impression is it's the same email and computer, two different Vine names. The same email could be the problem
I may have missed it, but I don't even recall seeing anything in the user agreement that says each family member has to have a different e mail account.
i would never share email it is so easy to set up your own and its free.
Could it be something as simple as NV not knowing Chris was married and his wife was an active user?
Rebecca and I shared the same computer, and for a time...even the same e mail address..before she shipped out. All I had to do was shoot Tyler a quick note that said..."Hey...my daughter has a newsvine account, her screen name is Rebecca N....didn't want it to look like I had multiples."..He said "no problem...thanks for letting him know"...and that was the end of that.
I just noticed over on the old 'Does Not Compute' thread that I dug up earlier... (re: the previous time this happened to a couple)...that Tyler is going to look deeper into the issue with Chris. That's excellent news!
I just posted this in honor of Chris in VA. Miss you buddy.....
(...looks around...) Where'd Chris go? Chris can't be gone!
From our friend Chris...
Hi all,
I just wanted to let you all know that I have been banned from Newsvine. I contacted them to find out why and they said that it was because I had "multiple accounts." I explained to them that my wife had also registered and was using the same computer. (Had they looked at both accounts they would have seen a clear difference. I wrote and contributed while she primarily commented. Let's not even talk about the clear difference in writing styles.)
I do not expect them to reinstate my account despite the fact that I explained it to them.
Keep up the fight, and I'll see you around the web.
TTYL,
Chris
oh...my..god.
AMac, I know you were around when The Capitalist and his wife were posting. (Elaine, not sure if you were or not)
But this is exactly what happened to them. The Capitalist was accused of having mulptiple accounts and was subsequently banned. Then Tyler met him in person....and his wife.
And reinstated them both.
He wrote a long, 'mea culpa' article about it. I'm sitting here trying to find it under Tyler's history, but he has a ton on content in his column. Maybe the thing to do is look under The Capitalist's column. He quit Newsvine a while back. I'll try to find it.
I hope this isn't the same kind of situation.
Update: #36.13
Big problem.
My comment was deleted ... as follows ...
Dear A. Macarthur,
A comment of yours has been removed by the author of the post or seed it was written on. Authors are expected to be the moderators of the content contained in their own columns and are charged with keeping comment threads on-topic and free from offensive or otherwise inappropriate comments.
Your comment:
Part of the problem is the nebulous nature of the term "multiple accounts."
The implication from the CoH standpoint is that a violation consists of ONE PERSON SIMULTANEOUSLY USING TWO SEPARATE ACCOUNTS.
But TWO PEOPLE IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD SHARING ONE ACCOUNT ... (ASSUMING NO OTHER VIOLATIONS ARE OCCURRING) is a completely different entity!
Bad facts made bad law!
Allow multiple accounts that are defined as follows:
A VALID MULTIPLE NEWSVINE ACCOUNT SHALL CONSIST OF NO MORE THAN TWO (2) SEPARATE INDIVIDUALS, EACH SPECIFICALLY NAMED IN THE ACCOUNT'S PERSONAL INFORMATION AREA. AT NO TIME SHALL EITHER INDIVIDUAL MISREPRESENT HIS/HER IDENTITY FOR ANY REASON; VIOLATION OF THIS PROVISION SHALL RESULT IN SUSPENSION OR BANNING FROM NEWSVINE.
THIS AMENDMENT TO THE CoH SHALL NOT IN ANY WAY ABROGATE NOR MODIFY ANY/ALL OTHER CoH PROVISIONS.Lift the bans on DKAZ and CHRISVA, make the new rule effective after their restoration and enforce it consistently going forward.
Please don't ignore this ... let's at least use it to decide fix an unfortunate but reconcilable set of events.
A. Macarthur
Now you're going to have to suspend me!
I'm ready for that fight if you want it!
If you do ... I'll be e-mailing 300+ Newsvine Friends.
NOTE: Another comment deleted.
And others around me ... bad judgment ... can Newsvine afford to lose the traffic?
Pat, that is very interesting and I didn't know about that situation. It would be very smart to find that information and present it to Tyler as a reminder.
I found it! I found it! I found it!!!!
I damn near went loony, scrolling through a bunch of achived crapola...but...I FOUND IT!!
http://tyler.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/12/2304179-does-not-compute-doing-math-in-your-head
Pat, can I post your comment on Viki's article about "How to make Newsvine better" (or something like that....can't remember the exact title now)....where this is being discussed? Better yet....let me go find it and come back and post a link....and you can go tell this story. Maybe it will help Chris.....and maybe dkaz too. I'll be right back.
Yeah...I'd prefer it comes from you, rather than me on the link in that article, please.
I found it Pat. I'm going to go over there now and post the link to that article. Thanks friend!
http://vikibabbles.newsvine.com/_news/2010/10/04/5228340-how-i-would-fix-newsvine?last=1286501400&threadId=1097507&sp=0&pc=25#last_1
Post it in the MetaVine tab or else it will probably get deleted.
Chris and I are political opposites, but truly thoughtful people can get along with anybody. So we shared laughs at politics together. Who says everything has to be permanent? Work together, straighten out the issues and welcome each other back.
And oh yeah, The Giants everyweek!
Jacksonville VS Buffalo : Jaguars
Chicago VS Carolina : Panthers, but this is a toss-up
Tampa Bay VS Cincinnati : Bucs, Cincy's looking worse each week.
Atlanta VS Cleveland : Falcons
Giants VS Houston : Texans
Kansas City VS Indianapolis : Colts
Green Bay VS Washington : Packers, I just think they are that much better than the Skins.
New Orleans VS Arizona : Saints
San Diego VS Oakland : Chargers
Philadelphia VS San Francisco : Eagles
Minnesota VS Jets : Jets.
These picks are made with great reluctance, because of the loss of Chris (hopefully only temporary).
Ravens: Yes.
Jaguars: Yes.
Panthers: No.
Bucs: Yes.
Falcons: Yes.
Rams: No.
Texans: No.
Colts: Yes.
Packers: No.
Saints: No.
Titans: Yes.
Chargers: No.
Eagles: Yes.
So far: 7-6 with Jets left to go.
I just got back from going fishing (caught one nice one, and one turtle) (cooked the fish, threw the turtle back).....and saw there were 7 comments here....I was sure hoping one of them might be Chris in VA returned to tell us he picked them all right! Anyways....
Ravens....yes
Jaquars....yes
Bears....yes
Bucs....yes
Falcons....yes
Rams....No
Houston....No
Chiefs....No
Skins....yes
Saints....No (what the hell!)
Titans....yes
Eagles....yes
Chargers....No
So far 8 - 5 with Jets to go.
Me too Tom...
Jacksonville VS Buffalo - Jaguars
Tampa Bay VS Cincinnati - Bucs
Atlanta VS Cleveland - Falcons
Giants VS Houston - Houston
Kansas City VS Indianapolis - Chiefs
Green Bay VS Washington - Skins
New Orleans VS Arizona - Saints
Philadelphia VS San Francisco - Eagles
Minnesota VS Jets - Jets
I don't know Chris in VA either, although I am somewhat familiar with him. I do know, however, that if the spirit of the law is not broken, no infraction occurred. It seems like there have been several injustices on NV recently.
A word to the wise: watch your back. It looks like an old-fashioned witch hunt is in progress.
Hey Jim....you're right, some wierd stuff is going on. dkaz was banned today for multiple accounts. Some big arguments are happening on several articles in defense of both dkaz and Chris in VA. I'll get some links and email them to you tomorrow. Actually, I just realized the links are in this article.
Yeah, dkaz emailed me two days ago with the info on the article mther & I wrote "STFU Goes To The Clinic" being bashed on a blog by that Brian Ford has. dkaz's "Hair" article was also being bashed by the same guy, somebody named B. A. in Psychology.
Then, I told people about it and that's when all hell broke loose!! What a mell of a hess we are in!! Fudgesicles!!!!
"STFU Goes To The Clinic"
Oh man. Does THIS conjure up a visual! I never saw the article. I may have to go visit. It's still up, right?
that B.A. did not even no how to spell his title what a prick.
Give'm Hell Amac, Eliane and Pat.
Well Chris let's see how wrong I can get these. lol
Denver VS Baltimore - bronco's
Jacksonville VS Buffalo - Jaguars
Tampa Bay VS Cincinnati - Bucs
Atlanta VS Cleveland - Falcons
Giants VS Houston - Houston
Kansas City VS Indianapolis - Colts
Green Bay VS Washington - Packers
New Orleans VS Arizona - Saints
Philadelphia VS San Francisco - Eagles
Minnesota VS Jets - Vikings
I say SKINS. only because hubby is a fan. I like to show my support they wear such cute shorts.
I'm posting to show my support for dkaz and Chris in VA, From one Chris from VA to one Chris in VA we got your back buddy :)
honesty should apply to all of us, GUDES as well as members....
So Viki how come you have another account>>>>>
We haven't been friends for long.....but will be forever....You are missed Chris in VA.
Hopefully, with enough support....this mistake can be made right.
I kinda sorta wish I had his e mail. There's some stuff he needs to be aware of regarding protocol for this kind of thing that he might find useful.
Those of you that have his e mail address....can you ask him if he minds if I shoot him a note?
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